Map Flip tonight!!

[Markess]

In 8hrs and 15mins the Port battle between the French and the Spanish will take place at Biloxi, That makes it 10pm AEST.
This will be the final PB for the Map of Invincible's First round!

Its been a long and boring road coming for the Frenchies to get to this point, and lets hope that with the rules decided for Map 2 of Invincible we won't have nearly the same amount of problems that we've encountered in our first map.

Finally I would like to thank the French Nation for putting in the Hard Yards over the last few weeks to flip all those ports, Good Work!

[Archibald Flummery]

Finally I would like to thank the French Nation for putting in the Hard Yards over the last few weeks to flip all those ports, Good Work!

Yeah ditto. Good job guys.

Now hurry up and get this round won so you can lose the next one. :)

For those of us with a hopeless memory and a flexible sense of ethics (what a fellow FF soc leader calls my "delayed conscience") can Kuro or someone from LC please get a sticky at the top of the board for the agreed rules for Round 2?

[refitter]

rules for map 2? i bought potbs, not carebears hugalot rules for an easy nat win...seriously, what did rolling over for the french do? nothing, it wont really help anyone in map2... instead of all the quitting,rerolling and whinging you should have tried to hurt them more in the OS by blockading their shipbuilding ports etc etc while attempting a rebuild ,not making up rules for a "fairer" game and then going afk until second map... i dont care how many of you want to play this game for how long.... i didnt pay to access the server to skip around tralalaing to some pathetic bunch of rules... i dont care who quits and in what numbers, if the server goes down i will just transfer over to another... gl hf

[clvan625]

Good job France!

if the server goes down i will just transfer over to another

Umm you can't do that FYI

[refitter]

ummm i know atm invinble chars cant transfer but u think they would leave us high and dry? or help us transition over?

congrats to france pfffftt

[Jimmy Devereaux]

The map flip isn't until Thursday.

[Kylia D]

The map flip isn't until Thursday.

Exacly, map flips can only happen when the update goes thru, if you check your conquest tab it tells you how many days till update.
Note that yes this means if someone gets 300, they dont auto win, if another nation is able to lower that nations score before the update time.
(and of course just putting a town into 10k status auto removes the points of that town off the nation until the PB is done)


So sorry Marcos, no Map flip tonight. :)

[Hakaisha]

... tried to hurt them more in the OS by blockading their shipbuilding ports etc etc while attempting a rebuild, not making up rules for a "fairer" game and then going afk until second map...

Bring it. Wait...where you there for any of the v's france PB's?

[Hakaisha]

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[Markess]

So sorry Marcos, no Map flip tonight. :)

lol, I realized that after I posted the thread!

[Kylia D]

waa waa, i want to cause trouble, snort im 14 yo!

Did an unnamed duo have a kid?

lucky for us, our server soc leaders care more about the server than a simple win. Head to the US servers now, as our community is more about community and less about winning a game.

kk tnxs bye! *snort

[Kylia D]

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LoL its a bit like that Kuro!

you popping into the studio tonight? :D

[Hakaisha]

yep yep, I'll be there.

[Archibald Flummery]

Deleted... I seriously cbf'd with this game sometimes...

[ozdakuth]

Well *I* won't delete my post. But it'll be pretty tame too.

Basically, refitters post makes it obvious he wasn't here for the trials and tribulations. I can only hope that others that as also uninformed don't nod in agreement and think "yeah, yeah! you go gurl!"

The "rules for round 2" idea was brought around for good reason.

[cartia]

Have any rules actually been decided on yet? I know I G made a couple of sugested ones, ie each nation select a port the other nations won't attack (probably no point in including pirates to this rule as the ports revert after 3 days)
and that pb's should be equal in number ( I think this is probably impractical wihtout somehting done server side)

Was there anything officialy agreed on? Where can one find these rules?

[refitter]

say what you will, like i said, i bought potbs and i intend to play the game the way it was intended to be played... all you've done is give france an easy win and a step up the ladder towards getting bulk rewards through citations, it is you that has done a disservice to the game by acting in this manner... call me what you will, it is all of no consequence... i am allowed to play this game too and just because you all waste ur time with extraneous nonsense concerning the "survival of the server" and what constitutes fairness instead of putting the energy into actually playing the game and building strategy to claw back to a position of advantage gives you in no way any more rights than me to play the game ... like i said before, gl hf

[Hakaisha]

You didn't buy POTBS...its free. Your only paying a monthy access fee (if you've been playing for more than a week...)

France didn't get an easy win. We worked, hard. Ask the other nations, they've seen the results of our hard work.

[Renfrey]

Well *I* won't delete my post. But it'll be pretty tame too.

Basically, refitters post makes it obvious he wasn't here for the trials and tribulations. I can only hope that others that as also uninformed don't nod in agreement and think "yeah, yeah! you go gurl!"

The "rules for round 2" idea was brought around for good reason.

Yeah, I agree.

Its a shame in some ways that there aren't more refined inter nation "diplomacy tools". For example, such as a national surrender option if the majority of currently subscribed players for a nation decide to forfeit a round to allow an earlier reset etc. Maybe a possible feature once port governance is sorted out. It would have been a good thing to have a couple of weeks ago when all the shennanigans happened and both Spain and Britain were defeated.

Cartia, I believe some of the rules were detailed in the post that Kuro and Gerard posted after the general meeting circa 15th or 16th May.

Re Biloxi tonight, my work is slaughtering me this week and its only Monday!!!! I am doubtful for it. Nice and symbolic though that it is the last port in the campaign (or should be! ;))

[Greekiwi]

'all you've done is give france an easy win'

Ha. I laugh at you.

[refitter]

sheeesh duh i dl the game, but u cant play it without paying for server access so duh yeah i bought the game... don't be so pedantic, its bordering on the **** side...

[Illusions]

No, you pay for the game. You haven't bought anything.

And France would of won anyway, idiot. FOAD.

[mack_au]

rules for map 2? i bought potbs, not carebears hugalot rules for an easy nat win...seriously, what did rolling over for the french do? nothing, it wont really help anyone in map2... instead of all the quitting,rerolling and whinging you should have tried to hurt them more in the OS by blockading their shipbuilding ports etc etc while attempting a rebuild ,not making up rules for a "fairer" game and then going afk until second map... i dont care how many of you want to play this game for how long.... i didnt pay to access the server to skip around tralalaing to some pathetic bunch of rules... i dont care who quits and in what numbers, if the server goes down i will just transfer over to another... gl hf

Can I have your stuff?

[Renfrey]

say what you will, like i said, i bought potbs and i intend to play the game the way it was intended to be played... all you've done is give france an easy win and a step up the ladder towards getting bulk rewards through citations, it is you that has done a disservice to the game by acting in this manner... call me what you will, it is all of no consequence... i am allowed to play this game too and just because you all waste ur time with extraneous nonsense concerning the "survival of the server" and what constitutes fairness instead of putting the energy into actually playing the game and building strategy to claw back to a position of advantage gives you in no way any more rights than me to play the game ... like i said before, gl hf

Ok tough guy. You've been on the block all of 5 minutes, do not post up your in game name and so talk with the courage of anonymity.

You clearly have no idea how hard Britain and Spain got smashed. They got smashed through a strategy designed to cripple them. They weren't supposed to be able to get back on their feet easily. In that context, setting up a few guidelines to encourage people to keep playing when they have been beaten bloody and broken is not unreasonable. Especially given the small population on Invincible where losses that are inflicted are focussed on the same category of people time and time again and are not spread out over a wider group, as the game is designed. Add to that the victors are tired after a long grind - because again the same people over and over, and a gentlemen's aggreement makes sense.

Go and read the rest of these forums, the wider forums and stop being a smacktard. Then contextualise the "survival of the server issue", have a think and maybe you will come to the appreciation that Invincible is going to be in a bit of trouble in the forseeable future.

[cartia]

So! to get the ball rolling, here's my proposal for Round #2 - my original idea with some modifications after last nights meeting:

Firstly, France flips this map.

For round 2, France:
* Makes Spain the underdog (actually that's a round 1 thing, but anyway)
This is to make Spain more attractive to new players. Lack of population is Spain's greatest problem
* Only targets pirate ports
This is so France has a challenge, and we know Pirates will be in full attendance with the promise of our SoLs. Further, it allows Britain and Spain time, which they've both identified as one of the major things they need to build back to a effective level
* Defends her starting ports
If someone attacks one of our ports, we know it'll be a competitive fight.
* Obviously the other 3 sides attack as they see fit

For round 2, each nation can pick 2 of the following ports which we, as a community, will agree are off-limits:
Because of our small population we require a few extra "newbie protected" ports than designed. Our economies are currently too vulnerable
Spain:
Havana, Puerta de Plata, Puerto del Principe

France:
Cayo de Marique, Port de Paix, Irish Point

Britain:
St John's, Spanish Town, Charlestown

I haven't included pirate ports, because I assume since they can never be conquered, they don't require artifical protection.

Now, my main concern is retaining my fellow French player base, since we have to fight the strategically pointless pirates only. I have two things in mind to help counteract this:

1) We still occasionally flip a national port. This is a bit open-ended and grey, which is dangerous. We could put some hard and fast rules on it, but I think it's going to be a bit more of a "feel" thing. For example, Spain might not get attacked for several weeks, but a week into round 2, we might flip a British port to see how the two side's fleets stack up. This will largely be for variety, rather than strategy, so no doubt they'll be a bit artificial. Probably some assurance that both sides will be able to field decent numbers, and if necessary put a limit on the class of ship allowed.

2) Player-run tournament/s as mentioned on the player events forum. I would like this to actually become one of the server's main focus in round #2. That's what I'm hoping to encourage with my fellow French members.
... afterall, we all KNOW France is the best in OS pvp, so naturally we'll clean up there, and lord it over everyone. OH YES I WENT THERE

Now just to clarify, are these the rulz that have been agreed on?

[Archibald Flummery]

Refitter, you silly little demented waste of carbon.

Do you honestly think that we haven't given any thought to what we were going to do next round? The rules are just there to try and ensure we don't do a repeat of what we did first time and totally annihilate a sides' player base - not their fleet or their ports or anything else - their player base. It's about ensuring that there is still someone out there to sink tomorrow... I think all the Brits had a great time annihilating Spain in concert with France, I know I did. Best fights I've ever been in when we did that. Watching Iron Guts go down blazing under fire from six Brit 4th rates when we hit the Don line at Santo Domingo was fantastic... for once we managed to get a superior force out there, after all the times the spanish had crushed us...

But I might have rethought it if I'd known the net result of all that France and us were doing, would be to cut the number of Don players to a third or less, because then it's no fun for me either. And it left us with nothing to counterbalance the french with. So then the Brits lost too. And not easily either, big man..

[Markess]

Now just to clarify, are these the rulz that have been agreed on?

I believe we also agreed that pirates could drop any port, as we can only lose/win a port for 3 days, hence no long term effect, more of being a pain in the bum and preventing those damned FT getting obsencly rich :)

[ozdakuth]

Well, no agreed rules per se, but when I get home from work, I'll cut those out - add in the "pirates can flip any port" rule, and sticky them up. I haven't heard any major objections, and god knows everyone has had time.

If there is a major flaw between now and Thursday, people had best speak up

[Kylia D]

say what you will, like i said, i bought potbs and i intend to play the game the way it was intended to be played... all you've done is give france an easy win and a step up the ladder towards getting bulk rewards through citations, it is you that has done a disservice to the game by acting in this manner... call me what you will, it is all of no consequence... i am allowed to play this game too and just because you all waste ur time with extraneous nonsense concerning the "survival of the server" and what constitutes fairness instead of putting the energy into actually playing the game and building strategy to claw back to a position of advantage gives you in no way any more rights than me to play the game ... like i said before, gl hf

OMG you've made my day in laughter, inbetween the pain of reading without real punctuation!

Potbs was intended to be played with a large player base. our player base is in now way the intended amount, as such you cannot quote "intented way for the game to be played" since Invincible is not like the other servers, heck they had to emalgamate a bunch of servers to allow the game to be intended the way it was.

Do we want to play on servers that have PB's at 4am in the morning? Hell no! They gave us an Australian server, we want to keep it, to do this we need to think outside the box, now I realize that this is a concept you are unable to grasp, sine PotBS didn't come in a box, but as a download, but lucky for the community, the influential members of the community do think outside of the box.

And for that I am thankfull to be part of the Invincible PotBS Community.

[cartia]

Ah these rulz may help the pirates, but just one questiong do nats get points each time they flip a pirate port? It's just that in the back of my mind I had the idea that they only got 3 points for the first time they flip each port. Than again that may be totally wrong as I can't seem to find where it says that and I might of just dreamt that rule.
Does anyone know for sure?

[refitter]

LOL.... you all assume waaaay too much... "the best laid plans of mice and men"...

gl hf

[Kylia D]

Ah these rulz may help the pirates, but just one questiong do nats get points each time they flip a pirate port? It's just that in the back of my mind I had the idea that they only got 3 points for the first time they flip each port. Than again that may be totally wrong as I can't seem to find where it says that and I might of just dreamt that rule.
Does anyone know for sure?

You get a permanant 3 points every time you win an attacking Port Battle Conquest.
You get a Temporary 10 points for every port you own.

[cartia]

You get a permanant 3 points every time you win an attacking Port Battle Conquest.
You get a Temporary 10 points for every port you own.

That's all cool than. It's just I had the idea that the 3 points were only for the first time you took over a given port for nats. ie flipping the same pirate port didn't give additional points after the first time. Which would of made it hard for french if they just kept attacking the pirates. But I have no idea where I got that idea from.

So go with what KD says...

Oh and I'm looking forward to many a battle....

edit: this is where I got the information from http://potbs.wikia.com/wiki/Victory_status

[mack_au]

You only get the 3 points once per port afaik. (pirates might get them anytime).

[Pir a te]

Nats only get the 3 points for the first time they gain that port, after that if they lose it and regain it they dont get the 3 points

Pirates get 3 points no matter how many times they attack a single port.

Ie

Pirates raid Gibara - +13 (3 for win, 10 for port), -10 for Spain (lost port - although this is shown when port is in contention)

French take Havana - +13 France, Spain -10
Pirates leave Gibara - -10 pirates, +10 Spain
Spain take Havana - +13 Spain, -10 France
France take Havana - +10, -10 Spain (no 3 points for a 2nd attack)
Pirates raid Gibara - +13, -10 Spain (pirates get 3 points for the win even though its the 2nd attack)


Anyway, wasnt my main reason for coming here, the Map 2 Rules are stupid, think about it people.

How was it that the Frogs got so far in front in shipbuilding in the first place.

1. They brang over an entire society from Antigua, they knew what they were doing, everyone else didnt.
2. They attacked Pirates while Britain and Spain duked it out.

The "Rules" are made so France wont attack Spain and Britain so they can build up a Fleet....the problem being this wasnt the cause of the problem in the first place. The problem is you had 2 teams destroying each other while France attacked mainly Pirates.

Spain - massive losses to main fleet
Britain - massive losses to main fleet
France - small losses to main fleet in few NatvNat battles
Pirates - WTF is a PB

By the time France shifted focus to Brits and Dons the forces of the two had already been demolished by each other.

This is what you want to do in Round 2

France only attacks Pirates - They are not going to throw their #1 Fleet at us, it will be #2 ships

France continue to build #1 Fleet - 2nd and 1st rates, note they already have lines setup while dons and brits struggle to put out enough 4th rates for their NO's.

Brits and Dons no incentive to attack France as Frog Fleet overpowers them and they dont have the resources.

Brits and Dons attack Pirates or each other

Brits and Dons are weakened

France now has a PB fleet of a dozen 2nd and 1st rates

Brits or Dons finally able to field full PB team of mostly 4th rates

Attack France who in a couple of battles wipe out a month of hard work with their Rates.


Alternatively, they may field even teams.....but

France experience

24 players, 20 of who have been involved in over a dozen battle

Britain experience

24 players, 16 of who have never been to a proper PB, 4 with at least 1 PB, 4 with at least 5.


The problem is you have structured it as if France beat Britain and Spain, but they beat each other. France already has 2 shipbuilding lines - u have the line that builds bundle ships and the line that replaces 4th rates and Frigates from OS and PB. By France attacking Pirates only 1 of those lines will be affected, they wont bring their multi-million db ships against us, its pointless and a waste of grinding time.

Brits and Dons already have the 4th rate and frigate line of ships, they dont have the bundle boat line up yet. That is where the problem lies, these rules dont affect Frances #1 Fleet, and it does not allow the Brits and Dons to get practice unless they wipe each other out again, or attack us, in which case they still lose ships.


Pirates will do all we can to slow down the French Economy, but there is only so much we can do. The Brits and Dons must do things by themselves, the game mechanics means that at one stage each National side will have a down time, making up rules like children is not the solution. You treat the Brits and Dons like kids and they will play like kids, hell we have seen it on OS pvp, the Frogs beat us 6-0, we beat Spain 6-0 and Brits 2-0 while the others run away. Not attacking the Brits or Dons is not going to solve the problem. The problem isnt a lack of ships, its a lack of experience.

When the US servers merged one Nation brang about 8 2nd and First rates to a battle, against a team whos had a handful of 4th rates. The problem was all the merging players chose 1 side. They were inexperienced at PB as a team, the other side wasnt. It cost the inexperienced side over 20,000,000db in ship DR.

Experience and skill beats ships everyday of the week, they might have some ships but they wont have experience without attacking someone, and the incentive is to attack pirates or each other, its a lose lose, if they attack France or Pirates they will suffer heavy casualties to experienced PvP sides, attack each other and the cycle start over again.

In the Economic world this is the Poverty Cycle. We give aid to all those starving Africans....the problem being is they are now dependent on that Aid. If we all of a sudden stopped giving aid they cant survive. The same thing will happen, as soon as you declare all out war again the Brits and Dons wont be able to survive without their Aid

[Hakaisha]

Lol...Cid, or Horatio, or whatever you call yourself now, fails at pirates.

True history of LC and things from the French perspective (read brag post)

* LC is formed, consisting of 3 SOE players (Myself, Gerard and Scotty) who played for about a month.
* LC grows (growing beyond thoes 3 players + RL friends was only just passed...LC almost didn't exist), adding about 10 or so players, 2 of which where beta players. LC implements a cost price economy (you pay only cost price for all items traded internally), pretty much enforces the use of TeamSpeak (Even if you don't have a Mic) and tells people what to build econ wise as part of a economic plan.
* Jacobites get in touch with LC and TOG and forms Allianz Nationalle (French Leadership).
* Spain attacks France at Biloxi and takes it. We attack Gibara in retaliation and fail. Spain outnumbered us in levels and players in both battles
* Spain and England blow up at each other on forums
* Spain comes to us and says 'hey, how bout we don't attack each other', we agree.
* England (read Cid/Horatio) comes to us and says 'ALLY WITH US OR DIE!'...we say no. We start negotiating with them over a peace treaty. We want one because we know Avatars have over 100 players and FF brag they have over 100 players. LC has 20 at this point with Jacos being about 10-15 and TOG 5ish.
* The Character Saul Fonds gets created (The Richest character on the server is level 1...lol) due to Dashels suggestion on how to save for bundle boats.
* Allianz Nationalle forms a French Teamspeak server to encourage the different society's to work together. All Society's (mainly LC and Jacos) start using this.
* We do some PBs with the pirates for fun and PB experience.
* First Spanish and English players hit level 50 (and have Reason 4th rates). A day or two later Patrice hits level 50 and jumps into an Alexander 4th rate.
* A week goes by with no communications re: British alliance, so we attack St Johns at the same time as the Spanish flip another port. We win this battle.
* We attack Spanish town but the British defeat us.
* We attack another pirate port for fun waiting for the hostilities with Spain to start. During this time we go on a leveling rampage to try and get most of our guys to 50, as we just discover Aid for Trade. We managed to get a 2nd rate trinity out which we keep quiet. We also build 20ish Alexander deeds spare before 1.3 comes in and they increase in price by 50%. We also encourage people to roll level 19 Freetrader Alts to protect against ports getting taken.
* We get attacked by the Spanish at Irish Point and Defeat them in an epic battle. We paid the British 100 brass ingots to get all the intel on the Spanish punch that we could. British Re rollers tell us more about the Spanish tactics and we spent weeks planning how to counter it. Our fleet is superior in levels and ships at this stage.
* We attack and take Havana (the primary Spanish deep water harbor) and smash the last of the Spanish fleet.
* There is a bit of a lul, We redo our economy to be even more effecient. To the point where we can build a Trinity a week + other standard frigates.
* but during this time we managed to get out another Trinity. Mig and Willis also produce there own Trinities (with some shipyard hour support from LC).
* We get attacked by the pirates in two port battles and manage to sink 30 pirate ships with 0 losses (we MASSIVELY out gunned them)
* We attack the Spanish and show off our battle fleet...we get tells from British players along the lines of '4 trinities? wtf?!'
* We attack the British and no one shows up.
* Pirates attack us again and we have a uber battle loosing 5 and sinking 20 (Again out gunned) <-- LAST FUN PORT BATTLE
* Server falls apart
* Stupid mid-day port battles cause of TCO fail
* Massive grind to flip last Spanish Ports.


No, we didn't have two fleets
No, LC ISN'T from any other server.
We've fought multiple OS battles v's every nation. RNHC beat us 2-3 times early game before we beat them. VDD are the only people to challange us OS.

Current LC battle fleet -
1x Prince First Rate SOL
4x Trinity 2nd Rate SOL's
3x Heavy Hercs
13xAlexander 4th Rates
6x Heavy D's

[Mr Moose]

Epic brag thread ^^^^^ but anyhow kuro...WHERE YA BEEN??? ive been trying to get a stripped defiant off you for days?

[Markess]

wow, I start a thread for congrads and it turns into a flame fest!!
Not doing to badly with no help from myself ;)

[Marcess]

Current LC battle fleet -
1x Prince First Rate SOL
4x Trinity 2nd Rate SOL's
3x Heavy Hercs
13xAlexander 4th Rates
6x Heavy D's


Down to 3.5 Trinities since Markess stole one of mine!

PS: L2shipavcom lolololol

[Hakaisha]

omg you hax!??!

Mr Moose - send me a forum /tell, can prob get it made tomorrows. And yeah, soz for the epic brag thread, but felt like I should set the record strait....we're not a bunch of beta players.

[Lisp]

Avatars had 100 members? I must of missed that somewhere between here and release...

[Markess]

Down to 3.5 Trinities since Markess stole one of mine!


Yarr!!! I believe I be the first of Invincible's Pirates to own a second rate!
I'll pop some screen hots up laterish :)

[Archibald Flummery]

Yarr!!! I believe I be the first of Invincible's Pirates to own a second rate!
I'll pop some screen hots up laterish :)

Maybe you could trade it in on that Pirate Herc you've always wanted :)

[ozdakuth]

Scori claimed as much a couple times I believe.

I actually think he was saying it to encourage more people to join... but it made us plan accordingly

[mack_au]

We want one because we know Avatars have over 100 players and FF brag they have over 100 players.

I doubt Spain ever had 100 active players including trials. Our society page was massively clogged with expired trialers though, which is probably what any account of "100's" of players. was. I think the most we could ever claim as active was about 34-40.

* The Character Saul Fonds gets created (The Richest character on the server is level 1...lol) due to Dashels suggestion on how to save for bundle boats.

Eh?

[Mowzer]

Yarr!!! I believe I be the first of Invincible's Pirates to own a second rate!
I'll pop some screen hots up laterish :)

Time for a duel...

[Renfrey]

Scori claimed as much a couple times I believe.

I actually think he was saying it to encourage more people to join... but it made us plan accordingly

Yeah Scoricco mentioned that. I recall him saying it in a Teamspeak chat. Lots of planning after that comment!

On the earlier point about players coming across from the US servers, 4 Jacobites came across to Invincible from the Royal Red Squadron on Antigua. One stopped playing about a month into Invincible going live. Some of them had open beta experience. As far as I am aware, I was the only closed beta tester in France. All active once-were Jacobites are now members of les Condamnes.

[Diegobones]

* Spain comes to us and says 'hey, how bout we don't attack each other', we agree.



This was a mistake by Spain. As we have all discovered alliances only serve to cause unbalance down the road. The cannon ball love should really be shared somewhat equally.


* A week goes by with no communications re: British alliance, so we attack St Johns at the same time as the Spanish flip another port. We win this battle.


Much resentment was harbored by the Brits towards the Spanish for this dual flip which was as we know a decision made by the French.


* We attack another pirate port for fun waiting for the hostilities with Spain to start. During this time we go on a leveling rampage to try and get most of our guys to 50, as we just discover Aid for Trade. We managed to get a 2nd rate trinity out which we keep quiet. We also build 20ish Alexander deeds spare before 1.3 comes in and they increase in price by 50%. We also encourage people to roll level 19 Freetrader Alts to protect against ports getting taken.


I used to see the frenchies at Santiago ALL THE TIME in their grind groups. They had set up shanty towns on the docks. They lived there, it smelt of croissants and butter. I thought these guys are hardcore and they will win.


* We get attacked by the Spanish at Irish Point and Defeat them in an epic battle. We paid the British 100 brass ingots to get all the intel on the Spanish punch that we could. British Re rollers tell us more about the Spanish tactics and we spent weeks planning how to counter it. Our fleet is superior in levels and ships at this stage.


I knew that for the Spanish, Irish Point was going to be an indicator of all things to come. A win would mean possible competition with the French and interesting battles ahead, a loss would mean the beginning of the end for Spain. My bets were on a loss and as it turns out thats the way it went. (hmmm..French payoffs, shakes head)


* We attack and take Havana (the primary Spanish deep water harbor) and smash the last of the Spanish fleet.


Spain is unable to field a full 24 PB with only 21 turning up for their most important port. Numbers are already falling and morale with it for the Spanish.


* There is a bit of a lul, We redo our economy to be even more effecient. To the point where we can build a Trinity a week + other standard frigates.* but during this time we managed to get out another Trinity. Mig and Willis also produce there own Trinities (with some shipyard hour support from LC).


Need I say hardcore again. I think not :)


Basically I think the Brits stand the best chance of bringing the game back to the French in round 2, with population on their side they can come back and compete given time, which due to community server management policies may actually be able to happen.

I agree that if the Spanyards and Brits attack each other initially in round 2 considering that they may be closer to equal footing and have a chance of a real PB win then the French will continue to dominate for a long period.

[Hakaisha]

100 brass ingots is around 70k. Knowledge is power. Our knowledge of the Spanish Punch allowed us to go into the battle with the Spanish with a lot more confidence. We had counters planned, that worked somewhat effectively. Infact, our counter-punch plans set us up perfectly for fighting the pirate PB's later.

70k...really...was and is chickenfeed.

And yeah, we where hardcore...I kinda don't see how thats a bad thing...

[Markess]

Time for a duel...

What? Prince V Trinity?

[Archibald Flummery]

And yeah, we where hardcore...I kinda don't see how thats a bad thing...

FWIW, I don't think Diego's saying it as a negative.

So now all Britain has to do is, match the French battle line, learn from scratch to defeat the pirates in the OS so we can go on the offensive and avoid unfavourable defensive PBs, and in the process of so doing, not do anything that will eliminate (and try and increase) the desire of Spanish players to keep logging on, and of course keep half an eye out for pleasant little fellows like our anonymous friend refitter.

I may have to quit my day job...

The only thing that makes me not totally depressed is, it's probably still a better situation to be in than Spain, because we have more newbies (i assume). In retrospect, geez we screwed up.

/ends depressing bout of whining self pity

[Diegobones]

FWIW, I don't think Diego's saying it as a negative.



Thanks Archi,you are exactly right. Kuro fires up on here far too easily :)

I'm just stating how it is, not having a go.

Oh BTW Spain did get a new noob this last week or so, his name is Lt John Washington, and I'd like to give a shoutout to him for being a seriously noobish noob. After joining Untamed he then went to Avatars, was quickly dispatched and then ended up by accident in UnT, left the following day and went back to The Untamed, then proceeded to request to join Unt again the day after that. Having been denied further acces to Unt, he has formed his own Soc called the "Spanish Dragons". Good luck to you Lt John Washington, and good luck to Spain as only god can help her if Mr Washington is a marker for the calibre of future Spanish recruits.

/Salute

Spain also lost 3 level 50's so the scales are tipping the wrong direction.

[Archibald Flummery]

Well, I've been recently killed by a pirate while in a stealthed up boat because a (non RNHC / non FF) brit noob decided to ask me, on area chat, why I was sailing through the red zone so close to Irish Point, didn't I know that was dangerous, you could be attacked.... To which the answer is, it's not dangerous if you can see the enemy and you don't sail close to them. Of course, sailing close to friendly players shouldn't be a problem. 99% of the time. Until they tell everyone and his dog where you are.

So to be honest I feel your pain on that one mate...

[Kylia D]

Well, I've been recently killed by a pirate while in a stealthed up boat because a (non RNHC / non FF) brit noob decided to ask me, on area chat, why I was sailing through the red zone so close to Irish Point, didn't I know that was dangerous, you could be attacked.... To which the answer is, it's not dangerous if you can see the enemy and you don't sail close to them. Of course, sailing close to friendly players shouldn't be a problem. 99% of the time. Until they tell everyone and his dog where you are.

So to be honest I feel your pain on that one mate...

Isn't said noob a testiment that you can get to 48+ level and still be a noob?

[Hakaisha]

Thanks Archi,you are exactly right. Kuro fires up on here far too easily :)


Yeah, I do =( Sorry boys and girls. Maybe TCO is right, maybe I am taking this game far to seriously...

[Kylia D]

Yeah, I do =( Sorry boys and girls. Maybe TCO is right, maybe I am taking this game far to seriously...

Re-roll pirates :P

[Jimmy Devereaux]

Re-roll pirates :P

nou?

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