they need to get rid of the perma pvp flagged ships

[traxxasfanatic]

or at least make it so you know if the ship is flagged. i los ta good flute with some valuable cargo on it and a buddy of mine lost his ship, money, and cargo. that is not fair in any sense. also because of lag he ha dno chance to avoid getting boarded and getting owned by 2 opposing players. also noone could help him. that needs to change to where others can enter if teh battle isnt fair. and either have some indicator of a ship being pvp flagged or get rid of it. how can you interact with others if you always have to avoid doing anything with them.

[Screwloose]

I presume you and your friends are Pirates?

Pirates can use any type of ship. However to partly balance that if they use a Ship that is usually restricted to only one class, like the big cargo moving Ships are restricted to Free Traders only, then they always are PvP active.

Have a look at the details for your Ship it should tell you if it is a Ship that is Career restricted. If you don’t want to be PvP active then don’t use Ships that are restricted to another Career.

The Lag is a separate issue and the Devs are looking at it.

[traxxasfanatic]

there is no way to tell. i have seen people in pirate career ships get attacked liek that. it is not fair caus enow half my guild is stuck in tortuga afraid to move cause of people wanting to blow them up.

[Screwloose]

I doubt that the perma PvP flag will be removed, unless the Pirate ability to use Ships that are Class restricted was also removed.

If there isn’t any where that indicates which these ships are or that you are vulnerable then that definitely needs to be changed and I would want it to be blindingly obvious.

I did find this list of Career restricted Ships that you could give to your Society in the mean time.

Free Trader Only

'Couronne' Galleon, 'Oliphant' Mastercraft Indiaman, 'San Mateo' Galleon, 'San Mateo' Trader's Galleon, 'Migone' Mastercraft Indiaman, 'Oliphant' Indiaman, 'Migone' Indiaman (Civilian), 'Mignone' Indiaman, 'Santiago' Trader's Galleon, 'San Mateo' Stripped Galleon, 'Santiago' Galleon, 'Dromedary' Indianmen (Civilian), 'Mignone' Stripped Indiaman, 'Dromedary' Indiaman, 'Atlas' Bark, 'Limburg' Trader's Flute, 'Limburg' Flute

Navy Only

'Invincible' First Rate, 'Prince' First Rate, 'Trinity' Second Rate, 'Triumphant' Second Rate, 'Wenden' Third Rate, 'Valiant' Third Rate, 'Reason' Naval Fourth Rate, 'Mercy' Naval Frigate, 'Gallant' Naval Frigate, 'Falcon' Naval Frigate, 'Lancer' Naval Cutter

Privateer Only

'Destroyer' Frigate, 'Intrepid' Frigate, 'Achilles' Frigate, 'Discovery' Frigate, 'Arrow' Frigate, 'Expedition' Packet-Boat

[Elena Navarro]

(...) and either have some indicator of a ship being pvp flagged or get rid of it. how can you interact with others if you always have to avoid doing anything with them.

Hi,

there is an indicator on your ship-vitals in the top left corner of your screen the moment you set sail with a wrong-class ship. So when you set sail, you see something weird on your ship, you click on the harbor and dock while still being protected by immunity.

Though, you are right. It would be nice to have this information on the ships' deed before you use such a ship.

Regards

[FryaDuck]

Though, you are right. It would be nice to have this information on the ships' deed before you use such a ship.

Regards

It does but reading and comprehension isn't one of your best suits I expect. All ships have a corresponding deed and distinctly state "XXXX class only" if restricted. I would suggest as a pirate that you check the ship deed via F1 if you intend to take command of it. Alternatively download the spreadsheet from the ships forum..very quick easy reference.

[Centurion]

i have seen people in pirate career ships get attacked liek that.

Not possible. If they really were in Pirate career ships, the only way for them to get attacked is if they switched their PvP-flag on.

Also, if you're in an invalid ship that flags you for PvP, you've got an icon that says so on your character.

[garborg]

Aye, the "Invalid Ship PvP" buff that the ship gives you is a bit elusive in it's meaning. For weeks I thought it ment I couldn't not innitiate PvP combat.

It just need a better tool tip on buff, or a pop-up window explaining what the Invalid Ship means when you switch ships to an invalid one.

[Kamui]

I guess I'm the only guy who actually hits F1 and reads the Deed corresponding to the ship I'm about to take to see if it's invalid...well, me and the other guy who mentioned that in this thread. Then again, I just read the stats to see how good a ship it is since I'm perma flagged anyways.

For those who say there should be a way to tell...there IS, and it's been there all along.

[garborg]

It does but reading and comprehension isn't one of your best suits I expect. All ships have a corresponding deed and distinctly state "XXXX class only" if restricted. I would suggest as a pirate that you check the ship deed via F1 if you intend to take command of it. Alternatively download the spreadsheet from the ships forum..very quick easy reference.

Problem is Usually when you see such a restriction it does not allow you to use said item/deed. With pirates there is an exception to the rule with NO/FT ships, but the explaination of the exception is not done well. No where is the "Invalid Ship PvP" explained to what it means. I swore up and down that it ment I could not start PvP while in the ship... found out otherwise after I got attacked while hauling goods...

[keline]

or at least make it so you know if the ship is flagged.

Tried looking at your buffs?

[garborg]

Tried looking at your buffs?

Keline, it's a completely different buff than PvP flag... different Icon.

And the tool tip on it only says "Invalid Ship PvP" Sorry but for some reason it just didn't register with me that I was attackable. All I'm saying is that many players don't realize this until it's too late. And the "Invalid Ship PvP" need a better detailed tool tip or explaination else where in game.

[keline]

Last time I saw one it looked exactly like a PVP flag to me.

[garborg]

Last time I saw one it looked exactly like a PVP flag to me.

/shrug... maybe grafic settings on low they do look the same.. not sure, but it is definately a different icon. It isn't a red box with "PvP" on it.

[scarshapedstar]

If you look at the deed for a captured ship, all it says is "You must be a Pirate."

It doesn't say anything about any other profession.

That said, if you look up the deed for the normal ship in F1, sure, you'll get the idea. And yes, you get a debuff that should be blindingly obvious.

But it's still poorly implemented. There ought to be a bright red "WARNING: SAIL THIS SHIP AND ANYONE CAN ATTACK YOU" on the cap'd deed and ship info, because it's not at all clear what the debuff means if nobody's already told you about the system. It's not explained anywhere in the game.

[Endar]

If you look at the deed for a captured ship, all it says is "You must be a Pirate."

It doesn't say anything about any other profession.

That said, if you look up the deed for the normal ship in F1, sure, you'll get the idea. And yes, you get a debuff that should be blindingly obvious.

But it's still poorly implemented. There ought to be a bright red "WARNING: SAIL THIS SHIP AND ANYONE CAN ATTACK YOU" on the cap'd deed and ship info, because it's not at all clear what the debuff means if nobody's already told you about the system. It's not explained anywhere in the game.

thus we see tons out just trying to farm noobs around the pirate starting area

they should make freetraders PvP always to compensate

[PirateChiken]

or at least make it so you know if the ship is flagged. i los ta good flute with some valuable cargo on it and a buddy of mine lost his ship, money, and cargo. that is not fair in any sense. also because of lag he ha dno chance to avoid getting boarded and getting owned by 2 opposing players. also noone could help him. that needs to change to where others can enter if teh battle isnt fair. and either have some indicator of a ship being pvp flagged or get rid of it. how can you interact with others if you always have to avoid doing anything with them.


Ok, you're a Pirate, and the ship IS marked, it tells you when you get in it that it's an "Invalid" ship.
The game IS PvP centric, so you can always interact with other players. These are the mechanics of the game. Battles usually aren't fair. Rarely do you see a 6vs6, usually it's 6v5, 6v4 or 6v1 or 2 or 3. Tonight myself and 2 of my Society mates were purposefully PvP flagged and went to an area we knew we'd be outnumbered. TWICE! Why? Because we live to kick ***. We had a 6vs.3, we were the 3. I lost my ship, but I sunk one of their Naval Officers, which means it costs him a Durability Point (DP), and those are hard to come by because they have to make all their ships where we can capture ours. I sunk one of theirs, they sank me, one of our guys boarded one of theirs and beat him, then stole his boat and used to to sink another one of their guys. SO it evened out, we sank 3 of them before they sank us 3.
So how is this unfair? I'll go in there all day long against Nationals and sink/capture 3 of their ships for 3 of ours, because if I can capture one of theirs, MINE is back in the Drydock safe and sound. I'll take out 3 of theirs for 2 or 3 of ours any day of the week. Especially if it's 6 of them vs. 3 of us.
Once again, how is that not fair???

Personally, I think there should be more notification about it. but there IS something that tells you, Hey, this is not your kind of ship, and you'll be PvP flagged while you're in it.

So, that said, from now on, if you get IN one of those invalid ships, and you're alone and you get sunk, then I have NO sympathy for you, and neither should our comrades or anyone else.

So, take it as a lesson learned, and start using a Convoy/Escort to transport your goods. If you're alone and Flagged, you're Fresh Meat and Fair Game, because it won't matter what faction you are, National or Pirate.

[karkh]

there is no way to tell. i have seen people in pirate career ships get attacked liek that. it is not fair caus enow half my guild is stuck in tortuga afraid to move cause of people wanting to blow them up.

Spoken like a true pirate.

[Hamilkar]

Well if thats all it takes to bottle up the pirates in port I guess I will have to sink them more often.

[PandaRuns]

Well...you won't make that mistake again now will you?

[Monthar]

I believe all captured ship deeds and the help files on these deeds should have a line added in the text description at the top that indicates if the ship is Invalid and flags you for PvP. Such as:
"This is an Invalid ship for Pirates. You will be PvP flagged while sailing it."

This line should also be included on the Character sheet's Ship tab and in the Stats display at the Drydock.

This should clear up any confusion before launching the ship.

[keline]

/shrug... maybe grafic settings on low they do look the same.. not sure, but it is definately a different icon. It isn't a red box with "PvP" on it.

...... neither is the PVP flag.

[BlarghAld]

Oh please

Read the help. read the forums, pirates have it easy enough without extra help.

If you want to be a pirate, and from I have seen so far at least half the moaning here on the forums is from pirates expecting to have a [I WIN] button in game, at least check what the price is.

(note: you do have that button, just learn to use it... )

[Deezy]

But it's still poorly implemented. There ought to be a bright red "WARNING: SAIL THIS SHIP AND ANYONE CAN ATTACK YOU" on the cap'd deed and ship info, because it's not at all clear what the debuff means if nobody's already told you about the system. It's not explained anywhere in the game.

Please no more warning labels, there are enough as it is.

How about we stop encouraging stupidity by catering to the lowest common denominator, mmk?

Here's some advice to live on:
Knives are sharp
Coffee is hot
and stealing things carries consequences

[garborg]

Please no more warning labels, there are enough as it is.

How about we stop encouraging stupidity by catering to the lowest common denominator, mmk?

Here's some advice to live on:
Knives are sharp
Coffee is hot
and stealing things carries consequences

There is no warning label... and the describtion on the debuff tooltip is misleading.

But I guess all the nationals hanging around the pirate noobie area do so because they can't find any easy targets because they misunderstand "Invalid Ship PvP".... right.

[Tanth Nefzen]

Its an easy mistake to make first time around.... I did it on my pirate, decided to haul a bunch of limestone to where my mine/forge/weaponsmith is so I looked through my huge collection of captured deeds and picked out a traders snow for the 370 capacity. The requirements simply said must be pirate/indry dock/lvl 17/blah blah. About half way back with my goodies i noticed the invalid pvp thing and was about to ask in nation chat what it actually meant when I got ganked by a fleet of damn spaniards :P

Simple fact was it was a case of *shrug* I wont be doing THAT again. It is misleading and very likely for people who dont spend alot of times on the forums and jump straight into the game like I did to get burned by this at least once, it happens, nothing lost cant be replaced. But if you are daft enough to let it happen again and again... your own problem IMHO.

[bpdlr]

Its an easy mistake to make first time around.... I did it on my pirate, decided to haul a bunch of limestone to where my mine/forge/weaponsmith is so I looked through my huge collection of captured deeds and picked out a traders snow for the 370 capacity. The requirements simply said must be pirate/indry dock/lvl 17/blah blah. About half way back with my goodies i noticed the invalid pvp thing and was about to ask in nation chat what it actually meant when I got ganked by a fleet of damn spaniards :P

Simple fact was it was a case of *shrug* I wont be doing THAT again. It is misleading and very likely for people who dont spend alot of times on the forums and jump straight into the game like I did to get burned by this at least once, it happens, nothing lost cant be replaced. But if you are daft enough to let it happen again and again... your own problem IMHO.

How refreshing! A post written by someone who didn't come here to cry, but learnt from his mistake and shrugged off the loss as the price of learning. Bravo, sir!

[JoeDragon]

I really have to ask this...

How could Anyone Mis-understand "Invalid Ship PVP"

The Fallback Icon clearly explains you can't Engage in PVP Combat. (But you can be engaged by someone else)

The Icon is the same as the Icon you get when you enter Pirate PVP Waters...

And if common sense fails you... the first sign should be when a player attacks you... Sure if you missed all the other signs it can be a crash course when you get attacked by another player... but if it still doesnt click in your brain... theres something seriously wrong.

[Tanth Nefzen]

I really have to ask this...

How could Anyone Mis-understand "Invalid Ship PVP"

The Fallback Icon clearly explains you can't Engage in PVP Combat. (But you can be engaged by someone else)

The Icon is the same as the Icon you get when you enter Pirate PVP Waters...

And if common sense fails you... the first sign should be when a player attacks you... Sure if you missed all the other signs it can be a crash course when you get attacked by another player... but if it still doesnt click in your brain... theres something seriously wrong.

To be quite fair "Invalid Ship PVP" could be interpreted various ways the first time you see it.

Could mean the ship is invalid for your class, therefore pvp (as is the case).

Could mean the ship is invalid for pvp, meaning you cant use it for pvp.

Once you know, its like... duh. But until you know, all you can do is make a guess.

[Valna]

The icons are different. The icon for pvp is a red background with two guys facing each other with a small vs at the bottom. The invalid ship pvp icon is the same as the pirate pvp icon, it's a guy with an eye patch on a red background. Pirate pvp being the state you enter if you are not flagged but enter a pirate pvp zone, for those unfamiliar with the term.

[Grinn]

Okay, so what are some good high capacity ships that pirates CAN use?

[keline]

Defiant Stripped, 545.

[init_0]

A question about the PvP-flagging:

If you capture a ship that flags you for PvP but then change ship, do you retain the PvP-status or are you only attackable as long as you are aboard the captured ship?

In other words: Is your character flagged for PvP or is only the ship flagged (and as soon as you change the ship you loose the flagg)?

This isn't clear to me.

[Tanth Nefzen]

Its the invalid ship thats flagged.

[gekigengar5]

Perma PVP is fine. All nations had warrants out for pirates. They are criminals, they stole their ships, so that is the consequence.

In my opinion all pirates should have perma PVP. Goes with being an outlaw, and getting free ships.