A clash with the Royal Red

[kcfox]

Hostilities came about the evening of Sunday, as the French trading group Le Compagnie de Caroline, engaged 6 Brittish Naval ships off the Greenville coast.
Losses were medium and the rag tag band of 2 Privaters 2 Naval officers and 3 Freetraders managed to sink 1 said craft. The Brittish managed to sink 2 in our small fleet, but for a trading company vs. a Naval unit we consider this a victory.

Defend your homeland France, Le Compagnie de Caroline will allways assist to defend.


Salute

Topher Renard
21 Freetrader
Le Compagnie de Caroline

[Archavious]

I don't know which is funnier.

The British loosing a ship to the french.

or

The french thinking a 1-for-2 ratio of sinking ships is a good thing.

[kcfox]

Considering we had 2 people under level 15 with us, and they were all Naval 21 in Postilions, it was definately a victory, but thanks for you insite.

An just because we are "French" dosent mean that most of us have been combat simming for the last 5 years together, and weather its Tall flag ships or Spitfire MK XIs once we get rolling we may not be as soft as you may think. Feel free to come on down to the Florida area and say hi. Over confident pirates are fun to kill.




Salute.

[Archavious]

Considering we had 2 people under level 15 with us, and they were all Naval 21 in Postilions, it was definately a victory, but thanks for you insite.


Salute.

So it was like a Benny Hill episode?

[kcfox]

No it was teaching our new people how to line fight and making a Brittish naval unit go home.

[Wolsey]

I was not there, but I salute the French for giving honorable battle. Salute!

[Sepico]

Im confused... Who actually won the battle? In other words who was the last team to leave the instance?

[BlackSwan]

In Bartica one can buy captured French muskets. The tag reads "As new - never fired, dropped once".

[bonelizzard]

Nice wrk Frenchies...


I suggest you put the lvls in your next write up but yea, as far as value hitting the ocean floor i would guess it was around equal.

Dont wry bout Renfry... he has never been in a fair fight... ever.

[Jyriki]

Mr. Renard, I notice your account lacks several pertinent details. While my fleet was hunting Pirates off of Morgan's Bluff, we exited an encounter to find no less than six French vessels waiting for us, five Frigates and a Snow if I recall correctly. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that they were not a one flagged for war?

None the less, it was clear from their posturing they planned to engage us although we of the Royal Red hold no hostility toward the French at this time. However none may call us shy and nowhere in our orders are we to steer clear of an obviously hostile fleet. Thus battle ensued at a time and place of your choosing.

I must give you credit, while one of our scout vessels, a Corvette captained by Mr. Werner, was attempting to join our line, three of your Frigates did indeed manage to box her in and damage her significantly such that she was eventually to sink.

However I can not help but note that the same Mr. Werner almost single handedly sunk one of your vessels quite handily before he was raked and his ship and crew sent to the bottom.

It seemed but a moment later another of your number had gone to meet Davey Jones and a third was near floundering. Your three remaining ships, of which you were the captain of one Mr. Renard, put about and sailed for the horizon with all speed, leaving your third member alone to fend for himself. He was miraculously able to escape despite heavy damage and a valiant chase.

While the whole incident was regrettable and in hindsight most likely best avoided, I believe my fellow captains fought with honour and demonstrated exceptional skill against an unflagged opportunist toward whom we had offered no prior aggression. For the members of Le Compagnie de Caroline to claim this as a victory is I am afraid nothing but a sadly worn attempt to rally your fellows against the Royal Red whom to the best of my knowledge holds no ill will toward the French.

Best regards and to a more happy meeting in the future.

J. Percival Hackworth
Captain of HMS Meridian, a Frigate of 20 Guns
And a proud member of the Royal Red's Black Lions

[Elliot Sabre]

Go frenchies!

I'm rooting for you!

...as long as you're taking out the british.

=)

[Cptn_Enth]

Im confused... Who actually won the battle? In other words who was the last team to leave the instance?

To answer your question, Mr. Barca, it was the esteemed Monsieur Renard and the remaining captains of Le Compagnie de Caroline who disengaged and fled the battlefield as if Hermes himself was pushing her sails.

How do I know this, you may ask? I was there. Monsieur Renard and his Task Force of "innocent merchants", his "rag-tag" band of freedom-fighters, as he put it, attacked us in a most cowardly fashion. They indeed sank Mr. Werner's Corvette, however, as Mr. Hackworth, so eloquently put it, Mr. Werner and his crew, outgunned three-to-one, acquitted themselves admirably.

Pfah...freedom fighters, indeed. Mr. Renard, before you come before the World Court, spewing lies and vitriol against the Honorable men and women who serve the English Crown within the Royal Red Squadron, and more specifically, the men and women of the Black Lions, make sure that you come speaking the Truth, and not some farcical accounting of a battle which you initiated, yet lost all the same...

Oh...and it seems that we owe you a Longboat, Mr. Barca...Interesting that you'd be patrolling the waters off Marsh Harbor in your Trusty, Battle Standards displayed...My crew thought you were daft to be in those waters thusly armed and spoiling for a fight, but be careful what you ask for...you just may have it deliverd to you...

Submitted respectfully this day,

Twenty-First day of January, in the Year of Our Lord, Seventeen Hundred Twenty.

John J. Sheppard
Captain of HMS Maelstrom, A Frigate of 20 Guns
Proud member of the Royal Red Squadron's "Black Lions"

[Sepico]

Well... If the French attacked... and the French lost more ships... and the French fled the instance... then the French lost...

[Archavious]

Well... If the French attacked... and the French lost more ships... and the French fled the instance... then the French lost...

But a true french victory is to run away/get crushed and wait for America to show up. So you see both sides won.

[Cptn_Enth]

Originally posted by Archavious

Originally Posted by Sepico
Well... If the French attacked... and the French lost more ships... and the French fled the instance... then the French lost...

But a true french victory is to run away/get crushed and wait for America to show up. So you see both sides won.

If what you say is true, Mr. Archavious...then I look forward to hearing the news of a great many more French "Victories".

Regards,

John J. Sheppard
Captain of HMS Maelstrom, A Frigate of 20 Guns
Proud member of the Royal Red Squadron's "Black Lions"

[bonelizzard]

Well... If the French attacked... and the French lost more ships... and the French fled the instance... then the French lost...

It was a moral victory, they sunk a member of one of the biggest open beta zerg guilds on the server.

I think they are doing well.

[kcfox]

Dear Mr Sheppard,

We did have 3 Postilions, a Corvette and a Vanhorn. We were all watching your actions, as it was reported on nation that there were British off the coast, so we all dropped our tools, our saws, and ship writing materials and went to sail about to see what was afoot. To our surprise we saw a group of British naval officers posturing about the area. We patiently waited; about 30 miles as a recall to watch your actions and to us seemed very hostile indeed with all the posturing and such. So we took a plunge. I made no actions to any French to call to arms against you, and considering you offered no quarter to any of our members again appeared hostile and rather aggressive.

As for our member that you feel we abandoned, it was discussed on our communications it was best to loose 2 and live to fight another day than to carelessly put our other ships in danger as they were damaged and take any more losses, considering you were offering no quarter.

As I recall sir, we all tipped our hats and chocked it up as a fun battle but you all seemed to want none of that. We were just having fun on the last day of pre boarding. But if you want to make it all serious and political that’s just the kind of tirany and opression I strive to free our nation of. Barking hostilities and insults indeed sir! >:-)

We all had fun and for our new players that never experienced pvp before really had a blast and learned a lot.

Next time, so you don’t get all huffy, ill but a slash /tongue and cheek before I report anymore "hostilities". Hehe see you in da Gold release.



Rag tag band of freedom fighters indeed!

[Borsig]

Be wary of any british "olive branch".....

They will only use the french like a tool.

They cant win a map without attacking you. Remember that.

And grats on sinking one!

[Tiablo del Rojo]

Any fight which results in Brittish goods littering the sea floor is a good one, in my opinion, though it is regrettable two French vessels joined her.

[macfarlanjames]

The so called freedom fighters of the French Crown can not even describe their losses honourably. Mr. Renard seems to able to work as the Lord Himself and change the facts of the battle. It seems that originally there were 7 French vessels, 3 merchant and 4 escort. I would not call this a trading company fleet. But after thinking back more carefully Mr. Renard seems to hae decided that there were only 5 French vessels, 3 twenty gun frigates, 1 naval corvette, and 1 very mucn combat capable flute. I find it strange that these numbers can be altered such to the liking of Louis XV and his advisors in the New World.

James A. MacFarlan
Captain of HMS Whistler, a Packet-Boat of 18 guns
A proud servant of the English Crown and Her Majesty's Royal Red Squadron

[aubster024]

To those English who would mock the French muskets -- I ask, why do we need muskets? Our swords are good enough for the likes of you rum-swilling fools who can't even cook food properly.

Judging from these battle reports, I heartily congratulate CC on a well-deserved repulsion of the enemy.

Any aggressive movement of the British into French seas off of Florida is automatically deemed to be an intrusion in my view.

-- Collette du Villard, Free Captain

[Matin]

I think most people of the people on this forum do not read the history of our time period. I'm also fairly certain that most of the people commenting on French military history are totally clueless.

One simply has to read about Jean Bart, who captured in total 386 ships and also sank or burned a great number of enemy ships, to understand that France produces great sailors. As Lapeyrouse-Bonfils noted in his Histoire de la Marine Française:

"These cruisers, in the face of Anglo-Dutch power, needed good luck, boldness, and skill. These three conditions were not lacking in our seamen; but then, what chiefs and what captains they had!"

The Royal Red Squadron will meet such foes as the French with honour and a great care. We know the quality of the French on this server and respect their efforts on the behalf of their nation.

[Matin]

It was a moral victory, they sunk a member of one of the biggest open beta zerg guilds on the server.

I think they are doing well.

The Royal Red as one of the biggest open beta zerg guilds on the server was really, really funny. Here I am giving you a hard time about not reading the military history of the 1720s and apparently Bonelizard can't remember last month clearly.

Come to think of it, I didn't actually do much PvP in Open Beta. I was too busy on other chores. I got caught by Jack Simple coming out of port one day in a Halifax by his ultra stealthed Sleek Corsair Xebec. I surrendered because I didn't stand a chance and I wasn't actually carrying anything. I returned the favor later in Open Beta when I forced him to surrender.

I did manage to fight in the everyone is 50 and a ship of the line phase. I was in a group of three or four, so I guess we will call that a mighty zerg. We were actually trying to get into a Port Battle against the pirates. I lost a ship in one of those battles. However, we managed to sink some of the Pirates in their captured ships of the line. I think I was the only one in the group to get an invite, so the entire Royal Red managed to zerg a single guy into the battle.

We have grown a bit since that time, so the Royal Red can definately bring some ships to the fight. We also have some very talented Captains who like to PvP. However, we also have some very talented Captains who never PvP. We are really a mixed guild that enjoys every part of the game.

I accept surrenders and if I've lost the battle I'm willing to surrender. You will find me in the red zone, but I'm not all that good at PvP. I don't think you will be getting a cookie for sinking me. More likely you will be hearing the:

"I sank Matin line forms on the left two blocks from here."

[bonelizzard]

Its good to see that not all the Royal Red guys are stuffy role players.

My sentence is ambiguous, I did not mean that you were a zerg guild in open beta, however, the show of force from LBS and RR last weekend, and their failure to engage on even terms, always waiting for a numbers advantage makes them a zerg guild on this server.

While this might seem silly to you Matin as a founding member (I am guessing), I can assure you there are elements within your society and your allies that propagate this kind of behaviour.

I am sure there is also a skilled pvp element in your society and I look forward to meeting them in battle.

And I do remember last week, I was playing Py rat ;)

[Cptn_Enth]

Its good to see that not all the Royal Red guys are stuffy role players.

I'll take that as a compliment, Mr. Lizzard... :)

Seriously, though...I don't pretend to be nearly as eloquent as some of the Admiralty of my Society, or even some of my fellow captains, for that matter. I do, however, enjoy this kind of roleplay within MMO's, and the immersion level that my fellows in the RRS aspire to raises my enjoyment of the game at least a quantum level.

Mr. Borsig, while it would've been a blast to engage you, DoomChinchilla, and the other members of your task force outside of Vera Cruz the other evening (had you had your PVP flags on, that is), sadly, it wasn't the case. Oh well...We'll get you next time. /salute

And Mr. Renard, don't worry...we had fun, too...Haven't you ever seen Les Mis? I only spoke of your force in the kindest possible terms..."Vive la Revolution!" and all that, you know ;)

But Stuffy? Moi? I think not :p

Here's to seeing you again (in my gunsights, that is... ;) ),

[Wolsey]

I think most people of the people on this forum do not read the history of our time period. I'm also fairly certain that most of the people commenting on French military history are totally clueless.

One simply has to read about Jean Bart, who captured in total 386 ships and also sank or burned a great number of enemy ships, to understand that France produces great sailors. As Lapeyrouse-Bonfils noted in his Histoire de la Marine Française:

"These cruisers, in the face of Anglo-Dutch power, needed good luck, boldness, and skill. These three conditions were not lacking in our seamen; but then, what chiefs and what captains they had!"

The Royal Red Squadron will meet such foes as the French with honour and a great care. We know the quality of the French on this server and respect their efforts on the behalf of their nation.

If not for the French, fish & chips would still be the national dish in the US. At the battle of Yorktown, which was the decisive battle of the American Revolutionary war, there were 10,000 French troops and 8,000 American. So more French than American troops in the field and plenty of French blood spilled on behalf of the United States. Also, that battle was possible because the French navy defeated the British navy and broke the blockade of the United States and was able to bring weapons and soldiers.

I for one, plan to treat French players with honour and respect.

[Matin]

We don't actually role-play that much in the Royal Red. We just like a little role-playing to keep the tone light and nice. We are playing a game as you may have all noted. However, we have a firm policy of being polite and respectful to everyone who plays the game. If you find someone in the Royal Red being disrespectful, please PM me. I will deal with it. I am not that interested in drama. I want everyone to have a good time and enjoy the game.

On the question of zerging, I'm all for getting every military advantage I can muster. If I can some at your three with six, I will take the shot. The Royal Red maintains a policy of accepting surrenders. If I manage to get that great an advantage on you, then simply surrender. We will /tip hats and go our seperate ways. When I say go our seperate ways, I mean you should clear out. Because if you are not paying attention and stay around, I might grab you again.

One note: If you keep going on about the French, I will start giving you more history lessons. I mean the really long history lessons. One thing I have done since starting this game has been to bone up on the history of the British, French, Spanish, and Pirates in this time period. Every nation in this game has some good points and some warts. Do not try to apply 20th century history to an 18th century time period.

[Archavious]

One note: If you keep going on about the French, I will start giving you more history lessons. I mean the really long history lessons. One thing I have done since starting this game has been to bone up on the history of the British, French, Spanish, and Pirates in this time period. Every nation in this game has some good points and some warts. Do not try to apply 20th century history to an 18th century time period.

Since you are such a history buff then I'm sure you are aware that the french are the root of all major conflicts on this planet in the past 1300 years.

[Solomon Grundy]

The French used to be conquerers for sure, the image of the retreating frenchman is quite modern. If it weren't for the French, like Wolsey states, we wouldn't have a country to call our own.

Frenchies and Brits can fight all they want, let 'em take their focus off us innocent pirates doing our innocent jobs of offering relief to merchants with heavy burdens. Har!

[Yomm]

Pirates, being the parasites that they are, should be forgiven their abuse of the common tongue. A Pirate making fun of any salior in an empire is akin to an eunuch baiting a wanton bar-wench: much to say, but nothing to back it with.

Pirates couldn't organize themselves out of a wet sack and must rely on the empire's droppings to sate their vulgar tastes.

There are some groups who fly under no flag that will not be pushed aside so easily, but by and large, as a large force they are nothing to recon with and should bless each and every day that so called 'civilized' socities provide opportunity to scavage.

[Archavious]

I'd rather be rich and famous than a dead hero.

[Solomon Grundy]

Pirates, being the parasites that they are, should be forgiven their abuse of the common tongue. A Pirate making fun of any salior in an empire is akin to an eunuch baiting a wanton bar-wench: much to say, but nothing to back it with.

Pirates couldn't organize themselves out of a wet sack and must rely on the empire's droppings to sate their vulgar tastes.

There are some groups who fly under no flag that will not be pushed aside so easily, but by and large, as a large force they are nothing to recon with and should bless each and every day that so called 'civilized' socities provide opportunity to scavage.

Yargh! Yer better be hopin' yer not found at open sea all alone then matey!

[Yomm]

Yargh! Yer better be hopin' yer not found at open sea all alone then matey!

If I get caught in a PvP zone by myself, I deserve to sink. I would also have to hand in my Captain's license for being so stupid. =)

[Matin]

Since you are such a history buff then I'm sure you are aware that the french are the root of all major conflicts on this planet in the past 1300 years.

I suppose if one only read Western history that might seem true. Somethings have happened outside of Europe over the ages.

I have a history of the Warriors of the Steppe; A Military History of Cental Asia 500 BC to 1700 AD by Erik Hildinger that has been sitting on the shelf. I think the time has come to spend a day or two reading.

I actually named my Pirate character John Tamerlane which was a name to conjure fear in Eastern Europe. Something about burning a city to the ground, making pyramids of human heads, and building towers from men's skulls pressed in clay will do wonders for spreading a bit of terror.

[Wolsey]

Since you are such a history buff then I'm sure you are aware that the french are the root of all major conflicts on this planet in the past 1300 years.

I don't think any serious history student could agree with that statement.

[bonelizzard]

I think he was pulling the **** in order to get matin to postulate, and it seems to have succeeded.

I have not said a damn thing about French history and don't really give a crap. I do look forward to having a go with that French Aussie guild that I have seen getting around. They seem reasonably organised.

Matin, if you are so confident that we will surrender then you obviously have not fought us yet.

[Jyriki]

To the honorable Captain Renard of the French power Le Compagnie de Caroline,
From Captain J. P. Hackworth, HMS Meridian, of His Majesty's Royal Navy and the Royal Red Black Lions,

Dear Monsieur Renard,

I have been made aware of certain clarifications which have been made by your august self for the benefit of all parties in this unfortunate circumstance. I beg your indulgence to address some of these in turn.

We patiently waited; about 30 miles as a recall to watch your actions and to us seemed very hostile indeed with all the posturing and such. So we took a plunge. I made no actions to any French to call to arms against you, and considering you offered no quarter to any of our members again appeared hostile and rather aggressive.

I for one will always offer quarter to an opponent who strikes their colors in a fair contest of arms. To do otherwise is beastly and unhuman; an act reserved for those who follow the path of Piracy in name or spirit. Alas, your brave captains chose to fight on to the bitter end and did not strike their colors at any point. Had they, their ship and crew would have been spared and their captains released under their own parole.

As for our aggressive behavior, we were in the area to aggressively seek out and confuse those who fly no nation's flag. I offer my most sincere apologies if it appeared this was in any way directed toward France. You must admit, a Frenchman is a rare sight in these waters and it is possible you were mistaken as rogues. You can imagine our surprise when no less than six were spotted all at once. None the less, it was not our intent to startle France.

As I recall sir, we all tipped our hats and chocked it up as a fun battle but you all seemed to want none of that. We were just having fun on the last day of pre boarding. But if you want to make it all serious and political that’s just the kind of tirany and opression I strive to free our nation of.

Monsieur, I must treat the loss of life and vessel, both those of England and France, with the gravity it deserves. I would hope that you would believe me when I say there are few who disdain all things political more than myself. Indeed, had I finer political sensibilities, I would have recognized the damage the encounter may have done to our two great nations and disengaged, risking extreme censure under the tenth article of war.

((Okay enough of that, I am very much glad you gents did indeed engage us. It had been a boring night so far and our battle, short as it was, made my day. I am sorry if it appears I was trying to generate drama. Trust me, I hate MMO drama in every shape and form. All of the captains under my command in that engagement had a great time, even Mr. Werner who's locust you so adroitly sunk.))

We all had fun and for our new players that never experienced pvp before really had a blast and learned a lot. Next time, so you don’t get all huffy, ill but a slash /tongue and cheek before I report anymore "hostilities". Hehe see you in da Gold release.

((The /tounge-and-cheek is not necessary for my sake. I was only trying to set the record a little straighter and have a little RP fun while doing so. What can I say, it was a slow day at work.

Anyway, I hope to see you gentlemen again sometime, either facing off across a strip of angry sea, or coordinating attacks against the boa****l Spanish or dastardly Pirates. /salute ))

((p.s. Sorry it took so long to respond, SOE in their infinite wisdom limited my access to these forums until such time as I could give them a game key.))

[Robert Shaftoe]

The French used to be conquerers for sure, the image of the retreating frenchman is quite modern.
I'd like to see how well England or the US would have done over the two world wars if we had shared a land border with Germany. France gets a bad rap because they were the dominant European superpower for a good long while, and so it is that much more surprising (at least, to people who don't see that every civilization's power can wane just as easily as it waxes.. more easily, in fact) that they have actually lost a couple of wars recently. Also there are cultures that are still bitter over the influence of the French superpower (both cultural and military) over their countries in the past.

With the US having stalemated in Korea, lost in Vietnam (maybe the French ought to have "retreated" from there sooner to save us the trouble of having had to do so later) and at best stalemated again in Iraq (I don't want to open a can of worms here, but surely we haven't "won" in Iraq), I wonder how the US will be characterized when we eventually lose our super-power status. If the current cultural perception of France holds true, the Indians and the Chinese will be calling us all American Surrender Monkeys. Karma is a b1tch.

Or maybe that should be American Staged-Withdrawal Monkeys, but that's not quite as catchy. American Gradual Drawdown Monkeys? I'm reminded of the famous quotation: "..that which we call a retrograde advance by any other name would smell as sweet.."

*Disclaimer: I'm just killing time at work. Within the Royal Red all rights to "really long history lessons", both as threat of punishment and as enlightening reward, remain the prerogative of M'lord Matin.

Edit: 2 bonus history nerd points to Matin if his Pirate Tamerlane had, or was going to have, a peg leg.

[Archavious]

Well lets start off 1300 years ago in a sleepy town called Tours.

The year is 732. Charles Martel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel) leads an army of christians against the advancing Umayyad Caliphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad). In the Battle of Tours (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours) "The Hammer" manages to route the advancing Muslem army putting a stop to the Islamic advance in Europe. This ensures the survival of christianity. Had Charles lost, the Muslem Army would have swept across Europe, uniting all of europe under the Islam faith. We can thank this frenchman for all future conflicts between christians and muslems. To quote Dexter Wakefield A Muslim France? Historically, it nearly happened. But as a result of Martel’s fierce opposition, which ended Muslim advances and set the stage for centuries of war thereafter, Islam moved no farther into Europe.

After the muslem defeat Charles Martel had united most of current day France and Germany. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Francia_at_the_death_of_Pepin_of_Heristal%2C _714.jpg) When he dies the kingdom was split between his two sons to Carloman he gave Austrasia and Alemannia (Germany) and to Pippen the Short Neustria and Burgundy (France). A split that causes many wars ( Franco-Prussian War, WW1, WW2).

There are many more blemishes in France's history that cause future conflicts.
Communism
Phillip II leaving the 3rd crusade
Vietnam
Once could also point out since france ensured the creation of the US, all US conflicts are france's fault.


I don't believe in good or bad. I look at history as what happened and the cause and effect of the past events.

[Athlen]

LOL... in that case aren't all conflicts that in any way relate to the european sub-continent really caused by the Italians? I mean Rome conquered pretty much every corner of Europe and then some. Seriously, at some point you have to consider "proximate" cause.

Vox Dargard

[CrimsonPhoenix]

The so called freedom fighters of the French Crown can not even describe their losses honourably.

I know I can!

Think it was 20 small cannons, 8 gold ingots (found a bargain in Guyana), 16 small arms, 10-15 trips back and forth to Grenville (my forge is there), and barely kept the pass between Cuba and Haiti from being closed off by a red circle. Hope these Marks of Victory at least trade in for something. :p

Spain was over 4800 for a while, I need to work on my NO some more, but seems I keep getting stuck on my FT. :rolleyes:

Here was from a couple minutes ago (server is going down any second now):

http://www.burningsea.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1538&stc=1&d=1201165688

These "Marks of Victory" had better be worth something ... another couple of days like today and I won't have enough valuables on board my ship to be worth raiding.

You know what that means ...

http://www.burningsea.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1539&stc=1&d=1201166299

[Archavious]

LOL... in that case aren't all conflicts that in any way relate to the european sub-continent really caused by the Italians? I mean Rome conquered pretty much every corner of Europe and then some. Seriously, at some point you have to consider "proximate" cause.

Vox Dargard

Ah but Italy isn't in this game so we can't pick on them can we?

[Borsig]

actually we arent trying to flip that....

Our leveling groups didnt ralize they were raising so much unrest.

If we were trying to take it, it woulda been red already..


No Im not being sarcastic. My guys backed off when they saw it close to 5k.

[bonelizzard]

and barely kept the pass between Cuba and Haiti from being closed off by a red circle.

Now why would you go and do something like that?

[Borsig]

well the reason WE stopped, was that we didnt realize we had it so high, and we didnt really want to take it on and end up with a port battle at 7am est (US)

[CrimsonPhoenix]

actually we arent trying to flip that....

Our leveling groups didnt ralize they were raising so much unrest.

If we were trying to take it, it woulda been red already..


No Im not being sarcastic. My guys backed off when they saw it close to 5k.I believe you!

And here I thought it was me spamming the /surrender emote ....

[Teuffelhound]

With the US having stalemated in Korea, lost in Vietnam (maybe the French ought to have "retreated" from there sooner to save us the trouble of having had to do so later) and at best stalemated again in Iraq (I don't want to open a can of worms here, but surely we haven't "won" in Iraq)

What is your definition of "won"? And furthermore, what is your basis for the assessment in Iraq?

[Robert Shaftoe]

Mmmm. Worms! Tasty!

I'll send you a p.m.

Edit: you don't have p.m.'s enabled. I've got a whole big thing typed up for you but I am reluctant to send this thread barreling down the road of off-topic.

..you know, more so.

[Archavious]

too late >=)

[Alexander DeLarge]

Be wary of any british "olive branch".....

They will only use the french like a tool.

They cant win a map without attacking you. Remember that.

And grats on sinking one!

The funny thing is the spanish have already started making attempts to take a French port. The pirates actually bailed you out of it by attacking it more for an open place in a high traffic area to do their thing. As you can see this discouraged the spanish and they took their efforts elsewhere. Dont worry France, the Spanish havent forgotten about you. Spain cant win the map without attacking France. The alternative theory is that pirates and spanish are working together which still ends up with them attacking your ports. Either way I am sure a nation would love to feed another propaganda while they quietly win the game. Remember that.

[Borsig]

dude...... you cant be serious.

That was SG who rasied that contention at IP. (spanish)...

I PERSONALLY give the order to back off. Myself. At Just under 5000. I didnt realize how high it had gotten as 3 groups of us were OS grinding. Had I WANTED it over 5k it would be over 5k. I suppose I am a liar, am I?

Yes its in a damned inconvienent spot but thats the point isnt it?

If I was attempting to flip it, we would have done so. The pirates put 5000 on it a day or two later. Until the pirates attack a spanish port, they are not our concern. Frankly we passed plenty of them by in the red zone at the charlestown area, simply ignoring them. They didnt act hostile to us, so I figured Id let them be a pain in the british side.

Unlike the brits who speak of false peace, then come flagged into your starting port area, we have neither made a claim to peace, nor have we ever set foot into french waters PVP flagged.

Spain has made no promises to the french. At this point we would much rather just leave the french be to be honest. France has shown no agression to us whatsoever. Personally, I wish they had more players.. I will cheer for them the day I see French at Moderate on Antigua.

We all know to win the map, a nation must attack at least two others. I wish it werent that way, but it is what it is.

[Athlen]

No worries, the French believe SG on the count of backing off at IP. In fact, I think we all generally appreciate the act. I'm sure the Spanish will get around to attacking us when it best suits them. I've got some speculation about when that might be, but no reason to stir up that pot until it's closer to boil.

In the meantime though, I thought you got some points just for winning a port battle. 3 or something? Is this just my sleep deprived mind, or did something change? If that's accurate then you could just swap a port back and forth repeatedly and eventually someone would win.

Vox Dargard

[Borsig]

you get 3 for capturing a port.

I havent looked at the victory status since friday night's port battles, where spain held POS and Britian held charlestown. So Im not sure about a successful defense, but seems like you should get something for winning any port battle.

Supposedly FLS is looking at controlling the rate at which contention raises, and decays, and the amounts gained and lost, directly relative to population. A way to balance the numbers out so the brits (and pirates on Blackbeard) cant always zerg everything, and the french dont always get stopmed. I will welcome this change if it goes live, should have been in from the start.

On a side note, I remember a thread somewhere, where general ideas of populations on antigua were posted. Any idea on the actual numbers of french? Im not digging for intel, more curious as I have seen very few of you guys. Ive seen Vox, and a guy named guy fawkes, those are the only two that stand out really..... Id like to see you guys get a shot at participating in an offensive port battle sometime, I hope you have the numbers to do it.

[KELLIR]

I thought you got some points just for winning a port battle. 3 or something?
Vox Dargard

10 points for taking a port.

3 extra points for the first time ONLY a port is taken by anyone. 0 extra points if it is retaken or taken by anybody else.

0 points for defending a port. That is 0 as in ZERO.

Pirate ports go back to the pirates after three days. The ten points are given back to the pirates when this happens. End result, Pirate ports are only worth three points at max. Pirate Ports should ONLY be taken after a Nation has 300 or more points.

A Nation needs 390 points to guarantee a map win but can win a map with only 300 points if the other three nations are nice. :D

Any Nation will lose 10 point by having one of its ports put into contention. These points are free floating and are not given back until after the Port Battle is completed. This means three nations can temporarily "steal" 90 points from one nation for 24 hours by putting nine ports into contention within 24 hours of the map timer.

[kcfox]

On a side note, I remember a thread somewhere, where general ideas of populations on antigua were posted. Any idea on the actual numbers of french? Im not digging for intel, more curious as I have seen very few of you guys. Ive seen Vox, and a guy named guy fawkes, those are the only two that stand out really..... Id like to see you guys get a shot at participating in an offensive port battle sometime, I hope you have the numbers to do it.


The French numbers arnt were they should be lets just say, but there has been a steady trickle of population. Our group is reaching 28 or so with an average of 8 on to 14 on at any given time. As the numbers grow so do we, and soon we will have 2 full groups of 6 out on the OS as oppsed to 1 with a few stragglers. We were able to muster this weekend to work Irish point and had good results. Pirates seem to scurry like cockroaches when they come up againts organized combat, even if we are "French".

Its been fun, and eveyone in our group enjoys the challange.

Any EX or Current WWII online Pilots playing on Antigua, if so give us a shout we have a wing from the "Eagles Squadron" & 4th FG of WWII OL and IL2 Forgotten Battles group and are looking for more combat sim oriented players.



Salute,

TR
La Compagnie de Caroline

[netjam]

S! Mr. KC Fox. Good to see you here in this game...always thought highly of you over in WWIIOL. I'm Royal Navy in this one...but I hope to see you out at sea and give you a wave as we pass.

Best Regards,

Netjam



Any EX or Current WWII online Pilots playing on Antigua, if so give us a shout we have a wing from the "Eagles Squadron" & 4th FG of WWII OL and IL2 Forgotten Battles group and are looking for more combat sim oriented players.



Salute,

TR
La Compagnie de Caroline

[kcfox]

Excellent NetJam thank you for the compliment and the same goes to you too.

Other names you might remeber:

Zedboy
Lava
Intak
Blimey
Man-High

We have a nice group growing on the server.



S!

TR

[Borsig]

I KNEW I know hat name from WWIIOL....

I can bet we furballed more than once :)

[kcfox]

Good to see some WWII heads on this sever, lol this game is like squad flying , but with buffs!

Its a great game so far.


S!


TR

[Matin]

I played World War II On-Line during Beta and into retail. I took a break and came back played some more. I then got into the Beta for PotBS and have not looked back. I was Gepard when I played, but I was mostly a ground pounder.

[Naz Drala]

I too was a ground pounder in the German army.

[Dread73]

Bastados del Mar was founded and run by the ANZACs of WW2Online fame ;)

And yes...we are the imbalance here is well ;)

[kcfox]

Hello ANZACS!

S!


TR

[BlackSwan]

Ah yes, clan ANZAC. Did you guys also play SWG?