Re-Submit with a bit of editing

[Mimir]

It has been a while, but here is another sail entered for comments.

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Looks better on a black sail

[Sadet]

I like it! Although, I think I'm seeing a subtle shadow or rounded look to the bones and claws and you might consider just making the bones and claws a single color to remove that, probably this is not obvious enough to get a rejection for being too 3D but you never know.

Also on the sail the dragons and text have a suggestion of a thin white border around them. I don't see that on the black version though?? Anyway, this is again something that would probably not cause a rejection, just an area where you might be able to tweak a bit if you felt like it.

Keep up the good work!

[Mimir]

This is what I had in mind for a flag that is outside the box...mostly. It is not ready for prime time, but do you think it could fly in game? (sorry for the pun)

[Sadet]

Flags with cut out parts aren't illegal but here's what was decided in a similar case I have seen like this...

The shape of the flag should dictate the shape of the design on it.

The shape of the design should not dictate the shape of the flag.

In this case the design IS the flag so it fits into the later category, such that the shape of the design is dictating the shape of the flag. I hope that makes sense. Also, when creating odd shaped flags (and tattered flags) remember to keep in mind what effect the wind and gravity will have on the cloth. There are lots of areas on the current design which defy physics.

Hopefully this information will help guide you in any revision. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

[lucynsky]

I think it would look the hawtness on a triangle pennant. :D

But standing on its own is just strange. Think it might have something to do with various bits sticking up and down within the wind.

My two 0.02 dubs.

[Mimir]

While it was fun breaking the laws of physics with this flag, I have changed it to comply :).

Not sure if the jaggies at the top can be removed and keep the angle but working on that next.

[Mimir]

Here it is; is it ready?
Edit: going to submit will takw my lumps :)



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[Sadet]

Your flag is partially transparent. Did you mean for it to be? Minimal transparency on a flag is ok (90% opacity) but it's easy to go too far.

[Mimir]

Thanks much, edited and re-entered.

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[Marion vanGhent]

Good work! I think especially the last version of your new idea is fine :)

I have just two small suggestions, which are purely aesthetic -- take them, try them, or leave them however you see fit:

* You could still make the left edge of your flag "scooped," and have the horns of the dragon fit into each scoop. Just be sure you do the scoops first and fit the dragon to them, rather than vice versa. That would actually look really neat!

* You might consider a variant with the fly end (right corner) rounded instead of cut off at angles. Mediaeval pennons would occasionally take that form.

Just a couple ideas to think about, and that might possibly get you the "best of both worlds" between your original concept and your rework thereof.

[Mimir]

While taking Raft man out for a spin, I was jumped by a pirate. Being Raft Man I didn't run but attacked. The pirate being good natured allowed me to attempt to board, but being on a raft this was not allowed, so he boarded me. Did you know you have a crew even on a raft? I didn't. Anyway having no guns on the raft I made this.

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[Sadet]

Sweet, love it! But wouldn't it be better to have a ship with guns?;):p:D

[lucynsky]

lol, that's a good giggle.

[Mimir]

The last set I did for the society was a bit complex. I was not completely happy with it, so made a new set. These are more in line with our play style. :)

The Lead players

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Members at large

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And can't have rum without a period opener

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Good to go?

[Sadet]

Looks good. The Union symbol might look more appropriate in the upper left corner (rather than upper right), which is traditionally the position of highest status on a flag (and sail I guess)

[Mimir]

I started it out there, but changed it at the last min.

Dyslexics Untie!

Will change that and pop it back in here.

"It aint easy being cheesy" just did a mirror on them.

[Mimir]

Comments?:

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[Sadet]

Comments?:

Looks good, the only problem I see is a transparency issue. Notice the 3 stripes behind the barrel. You can see them through the barrel. That needs to be fixed so that you cannot see the stripes through the barrel. A little blurriness on the sides of the barrel but that's not a significant problem. Otherwise nice!

[Marion vanGhent]

Overall that's well done, but keep in mind: sails would be sewn. It would be rather challenging to sew a complex design like this in such a way that parts seem translucent. You'll want to ensure design elements don't show through each other, either by clipping out the "hidden" parts under the triangles, or my merging the layers together before giving it an overall opacity of 50-70%. :misha:

[Mimir]

How is this?

[Sadet]

How is this?

Looks good now!!

[Mimir]

Thanks Much :)

I did notice something a bit weird. In fig. A I see a bit of string floating, this in seen on the OS as well as in battles. When zoomed in as in Fig. B it goes away. I did check the original and I can't see it there at all.

[lucynsky]

I've got one like that too. yet I have another clipped flag that's fine.

hrmm. not sure what to make of it other than taking the flag and absolutely nuking the area of where the line is.

[Anna]

As I recall, this is a ship model issue sometimes. I'm sure Marion can correct me if I'm wrong, but there are some that can generate that pesky line. I've seen it show up on some of my pennon/flag pairs where I know that line of pixels is clean.

[Sadet]

I have the same problem on one of my flags. It's barely noticable so I still fly it!

[Mimir]

Yup, I am getting to like it as well. :)

Question:
I was wondering if the way European’s point could get into the game. :) I have a great EU this way...that way Sail. Can I ? Huh, Huh, Can I?

[Marion vanGhent]

Yup, I am getting to like it as well. :)

Question:
I was wondering if the way European’s point could get into the game. :) I have a great EU this way...that way Sail. Can I ? Huh, Huh, Can I?

Sorry, no :misha:

[Mimir]

LOL! I didn't think so but had to go for it. I still see the pentagram sail in the vote so I thought I wouild have a shot.

[Mimir]

A while ago someone requested this image to be made into a sail.

I thought I would give it a go, I loved the image but soon found the task was daunting.

This weekend I picked it up again and tried various combinations of colors, but found the white with gray looked to me produced the best results.

I would appreciate any and all comments to help me get this sail into the game.

I think I see some areas that could be improved, but it could just be me as I am never completely satisfied with a design.

Thanks in advance.
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[Anna]

That looks really, really nice. Excellent work, seriously.

If I were to make one suggestion, it would be regarding the use of grey. And that would be... make it darker. When you start applying colors to a greyscale sail decal in game, you'd be surprised how quickly it becomes difficult to make out the grey details. The amount of contrast you need - especially if applying a darker color - can be surprising.

The only other thing that I'm catching is a bit around the birdie's claws. Since there's a faint outline of white around the grey claws, it sort of has a faux-aliased look to it. (That white artifact line is one of the really common aliasing issues.) You might want to make sure the grey covers the claws entirely without that tiny outline, just to make sure you don't get wrongly dinged for aliasing.

Hope that helps. As I said, beautiful work. :D

[Sadet]

I agree, nice work! If it were me, I'd probably just make it a single color, white. I might consider making the feet and beak a darker shade but that's about it. To me, the grey lines are distracting from an otherwise awesome sail! Just my personal opinion, for what it's worth.:yar:

[Mimir]

I agree the gray was a bit much. I changed it to a solid white. Better ?

[Sadet]

I like it!

[lucynsky]

That is amazingly pretty, and yes, that would take a heck of a lot of work.

[Mimir]

While waiting for my current version of this sail to be rejected or approved (Pending state) I cleaned up one of the color versions and thought I would put it up for comments.

Opacity 66%

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[Sadet]

Wow! Very nice!

[Mimir]

I think I am going to put it in the vote.

[lucynsky]

I knew there was a reason why I voted. Very pretty!

[Mimir]

A group flying the Phoenix Sail.

[Mimir]

The idea for these were mostly spawned from the person who was trying to fly a pair of pants as a flag…a very cool idea by the way. Lace came to mind for a flag.

When I was working on the flag in a larger size I thought what the heck will try to use it as a sail as well. I am again not terribly happy with how the reduction went, so I would love some suggestions as to the best way to reduce a 512 x 340 to 128 x 85.


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[Sadet]

This is a really interesting idea and might even pass as sail decal but in my opinion, I don't think the flag would be accepted. It fails the "Could it, would it?" test. Could a flag made of lace be made in the 1720's, maybe. Would a flag be made entirely of lace in the 1720's, I feel the answer is, no. For several reasons: cost, durability, function. Lace trim, maybe, but not the entire flag. You might see if you can get some other opinions though.

[lucynsky]

A group flying the Phoenix Sail.

That is startling great!

Re: lace flag. that's one heck of an appealing design. I love all of the tiny details. I can go @.@ at it for hours. On one hand, I'd try to sneak it through. On the other, I have to agree with Sadet. After a small bit of time, it would completely unravel. hardly pragmatic.

But it's so freaking cool.

[Mimir]

I added a gold backing to the flag.

I did run it through the "would a", "could a", "should a"... failed on all, but the "should a"... so I had to go for it :)

[Anna]

When I was working on the flag in a larger size I thought what the heck will try to use it as a sail as well. I am again not terribly happy with how the reduction went, so I would love some suggestions as to the best way to reduce a 512 x 340 to 128 x 85.

My memory is swiss cheese. Remind me which software you are using again?

If it happens to be Photoshop... when you go to the "Image Size" dialogue to shrink your image, there is a checkbox that says "Resample Image." Make sure that is checked off. Beneath that then, there should be a drop-down menu. I believe that menu defaults to "Bicubic" as the resampling method. You may want to try changing that to "Bicubic sharper."

The difference between the two will be very subtle. It probably won't be THAT noticeable at all. And, no matter what you do... you will lose fine detail when reducing a lace pattern like this that far. Unfortunately, that just can't be helped. But, this may make it a little better. Maybe. :D

[Mimir]

I was watching a movie the other day and cursing old Ted Turner for colorizing it.. That looked better in shades of gray...that was way better... turns out I am soooo old when I first saw it we did not have a color tv :) It was MADE in color.


Anyway here is the phoenix sail in color.

[EvolGrinZ]

looking good :)

[Sadet]

Re: Screenshots

What can I say except....Wow!:cool:

[Mimir]

I thought that I would toss up my version of a patched sail. Captured flags may be of value other than trophies in a pinch.

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[Sadet]

Cool design! The threads are a bit too obvious though imho.

[Mimir]

Is this any better?

[Marion vanGhent]

Fun idea!

Keep in mind that a sail can be up to 100 feet across in-game, and trophies would be sewn on with heavy canvas thread, the same used to make and patch sails. If you can actually see the "threads," they're apt to be made of 1-inch rope or larger. :misha: So I'd suggest removing the stitches, or just going with a slight irregularity in the outline of each flag coupled with a slight darkening at the edges. That would be more than enough to suggest they're stitched on.

[Mimir]

Is this closer to what you had in mind?

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[Sadet]

I think that's much more likely to be accepted.:cool:

[Mimir]

In it goes. Thanks Much!

[Mimir]

While looking for sail Ideas I came across a Celtic dog. The image was found in Wikimedia commons. It is public domain so I thought I would change it around a bit. I think I may someday use it as it is.

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[Marion vanGhent]

That looks nice! I'd recommend notching down the opacity a bit, however. We recommend 50-70% maximum for the simple reason it looks best when applied to sails in-game. This looks higher than that, and so the design doesn't look as if its sewn into the sail. Should be a very easy adjustment for you to try :misha:

[Mimir]

I thought it was at 70% but took it down another 20% from where it was.
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Good to go?

[lucynsky]

I think it's going to look great. :D

[Mimir]

I have been voting for a day and a half, several hundred sails and flags and not one of the two I have in the vote come up. The very next click brings up one of mine…what do I do? Instinctively I vote for the better of the two (not mine).

Can I get a do over? :)

[Sadet]

Can I get a do over? :)

Only if you had your fingers crossed while you were voting. ;)

[Mimir]

When a UC item gets put on administrative hold for content or whatever reason, and eventually put back into the vote, does the vote counter get reset?

[Marion vanGhent]

Nope :misha:

[Mimir]

It looks as though the crew of the Mortimer have a few more patches to add.

[Mimir]

New Sail- Celtic Dragon with dragon head flag

[Sadet]

Very cool! Goes great with the flag!:cool:

[lucynsky]

freaking saweet!

[Mimir]

It has been a while, so I didn't pay attention, these went into the vote rather than here 1st. If editing needed at least they are there to increase the numbers for a quicker process for others.

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[Sadet]

Looking good!

[Mimir]

Do I have these reversed again? Sheeeesh I thought I grew out of the dyslexia, guess ton. ;)

[Mimir]

I see them both ways in the vote, what is the correct display orientation?

[Marion vanGhent]

I see them both ways in the vote, what is the correct display orientation?

Flags should always be oriented with the hoist (the part nearest the mast or flagstaff) to the left; sails should be oriented as if you're looking at them head-on, from the bow of a ship (assuming it's square-rigged).

If you've applied a decal to a ship and it doesn't follow this orientation, please file a support request (http://support.flyinglab.com/cgi-bin/flyinglab.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php). We had someone go through the ships and fix this error where it was known, but there's always a chance that we missed something.

If this doesn't answer your question, please explain more thoroughly -- with screen shots included.

[Mimir]

That answers my question. Thank you.

[Mimir]

Sail
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Flag
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[Sadet]

Looking good! The white on the Union flag is close to pure white but may be ok as is. You might dull it down just a hair to be safe.

[Mimir]

I dulled it to 235/230/220 still looks bright to me in here, but not in the app... weird.

[lucynsky]

I wonder what the flag would look like if the rope-dragon design were a few hairs smaller in order to get the entire thing in the flag.

This really appeals to me. Have you tried the sail without the flag? Might be an interesting variation.:D

[Mimir]

The Sky God Sail

[Sadet]

Oooooo that's a really nice one!:cool:

[Mimir]

I wonder what the flag would look like if the rope-dragon design were a few hairs smaller in order to get the entire thing in the flag.

This really appeals to me. Have you tried the sail without the flag? Might be an interesting variation.:D

I really... really... like how it looks with your suggestion. THANK you!

[Mimir]

For KD.. do the usual, left click, right click..save as, submit to review.