I hate pvp

[Amberry]

Will I be able to avoid most pvp? Just wondering

[lashiens]

Yes, for the most part.

When the game goes into retail, the contention system will be turned back on. If you want to avoid PvP, stay clear of the red zones that appear on your map, and you'll be fine.

[Amberry]

Yes, for the most part.

When the game goes into retail, the contention system will be turned back on. If you want to avoid PvP, stay clear of the red zones that appear on your map, and you'll be fine.


Thank you :) that makes me feel better, I guess I wont mind doing some pvp if I am able to make friends but I just dont feel like a good pvper

[lashiens]

I'm not much of a PvPer myself. I get in the mix just as much as the next guy, but it's not my preferred method of enjoying the game. I only pvped once in closed beta, and I'd been in closed beta for about 6 months, so that should be an indicator of how easy pvp is to avoid. :)

[Amberry]

I'm not much of a PvPer myself. I get in the mix just as much as the next guy, but it's not my preferred method of enjoying the game. I only pvped once in closed beta, and I'd been in closed beta for about 6 months, so that should be an indicator of how easy pvp is to avoid. :)

oh ok awesome :D thank you ^_^

[phizuol]

I made a post on avoiding pvp, but it's stuck on the old beta forums.

[Breckon]

Thank you :) that makes me feel better, I guess I wont mind doing some pvp if I am able to make friends but I just dont feel like a good pvper

Only the hard core PvPers like to fight alone. If you can find you a group then you may enjoy it. The 6 person cap means at least if you are in a group of 3 you should still have a chance if your group is skilled enough and has the right ships.

[Sural_Argonus]

The Argonian Ryders on Rackham, are Pirates...at most we are going to do small group PvP....we aren't going to specialize in PvP...but aren't going to deny it. The PvP in this game is about the most intelligent setup I've seen so far. Not to turn this into a recruiting thread, but we are recruiting...lol

[Showstopper]

I made a post on avoiding pvp, but it's stuck on the old beta forums.

Danicia reposted the guide in this section.

[Gameking]

Will I be able to avoid most pvp? Just wondering


Not to be rude or anything but if you people hate PVP so much then go play a single player game. MMO's are about finding and meeting people from other countries and exploring their culture. Then you kill them!!!!:yar:

[Amberry]

Not to be rude or anything but if you people hate PVP so much then go play a single player game. MMO's are about finding and meeting people from other countries and exploring their culture. Then you kill them!!!!:yar:

You might not mean to be rude but it is, I actually spend a lot of time trying to find games I like and believe me its very hard, and I want to try this game. I'm just trying to be able to play a game I think looks interesting without having to pvp all the time.

If i was able to find a game I like more whether it is single or not believe me I would be all over it.

[Jalyfane]

Amberry, I was in beta for a bit and was able to build sucessful trading empire worth millions and I never was engaged in pvp. There were a few times I smuggled goods into a port that was in contention 'Red Circle" but those were outside the norm, you can sail around everything.

[phizuol]

There is more PvP than just "killing people". The econ warfare can be pretty vicious. You can mostly avoid combat pvp if you wish and still have fun playing, though I think you will get bored if all you ever do is attack NPCs and never participate in economic or combat pvp.

I will repost that guide when we get access to the old beta posts, it's different than the surrender guide.

[Amberry]

Thanks everyone I really appreciate the helpful information most people have given me :)

I am not saying I will always want to avoid combat pvp, I might get silly with my husband sometimes and join combat pvp :D I am just saying I have never been very good in pvp situations and would like to avoid it when I can.

[Danicia]

I avoid PVP as much as possible. Traditionally, I have never enjoyed it and I'm really bad at it (I'm kinda bad at combat in general, regardless of game).

As long as you avoid the Red Zones, leave off the PVP flag, you will never ever have to do PVP. Of course, this does leave out a very fun and important part of the game. However, it is your choice on how you wish to play.

I don't mind going in to some PVP every so often with my nation mates, but I never do it solo. I always run. Sometimes, you just have to get into a port.

Also, just because there *is* a red zone, doesn't mean there are a ton of players sitting around waiting for you to enter it. :) Especially when there are a LOT of Red Zones.

There are a good many PVPers who are happy to help out non-PVPers to experience the PVP game and give pointers. These folks were awesome to be around and very encouraging.

[Amberry]

I avoid PVP as much as possible. Traditionally, I have never enjoyed it and I'm really bad at it (I'm kinda bad at combat in general, regardless of game).

As long as you avoid the Red Zones, leave off the PVP flag, you will never ever have to do PVP. Of course, this does leave out a very fun and important part of the game. However, it is your choice on how you wish to play.

I don't mind going in to some PVP every so often with my nation mates, but I never do it solo. I always run. Sometimes, you just have to get into a port.

Also, just because there *is* a red zone, doesn't mean there are a ton of players sitting around waiting for you to enter it. :) Especially when there are a LOT of Red Zones.

There are a good many PVPers who are happy to help out non-PVPers to experience the PVP game and give pointers. These folks were awesome to be around and very encouraging.

haha thanks Danicia, thats nice to hear that I'm not the only one who admits to sucking at pvp xD

[phizuol]

I am not usually much of a pvper but this game does it pretty well and normally you won't get annihilated instantly like a lot of games do it. It's worth a try, maybe you will like it, who knows. Combat is a little slow so you have time to think rather than just twitchy leaping head shot kind of stuff.

I recommend starting with a quick cheap ship like a Bermuda sloop that can get away from most unfair fights... and if it can't that's where the "cheap" part comes in handy.

[Danicia]

haha thanks Danicia, thats nice to hear that I'm not the only one who admits to sucking at pvp xD

Not just PVP but combat in general. The closed beta testers can totally vouch for my lack of skill. :)

That being said, no matter how much the NPCs or Player's sink me, I have a great time playing this game.

[Blackjack-Jones]

You know I am not a PVPer by any stretch of the Imagination, but I get out there on the open sea, and there is some Haughty French player with his PVP flag on and I just have to, and I love it, it's fun it's engaging Did I mention fun?

I thought ..maybe I have been missing something so I went back to a couple of my old games to try PVP ..nope still not into it, but PotbS is different. :yar:



It's kinda like when Squidward didn't want to get in the snowball fight with Patrick and Sponge bob, but after he started he couldn't stop. (Sorry I tend to use Sponge bob as life examples..yes I know it's irritating. )

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Not just PVP but combat in general. Danicia, I thought you enjoyed the happy fun weekend slugfest?

[waterhouse]

Aye, even if you are the worst PvP in every other game (I usually am :)), try it in a cheap ship here. You might just get addicted ;).

[soltr]

if you're in a sub par ship, you're most likely going to get sunk. i cannot imagine losing being addicting.

Aye, even if you are the worst PvP in every other game (I usually am :)), try it in a cheap ship here. You might just get addicted ;).

[waterhouse]

hehehe, depends on how you define a sub par ship. A sleek xebec or an MC Mediator can be cheaper than a Capri or Defiant, but in the hands of a skilled captain, they can go toe to toe.

Also, I've known a lot of people that have gotten their "introductions" to PvP from Jack Simple and even though they lost (and some times lots of cargo), they come out of the instance saying that it was one of the most fun experiences they had had in game. So yes, loosing can lead to addiction, even if the loosing part itself isn't :).

[Spinnaker Sam]

if you're in a sub par ship, you're most likely going to get sunk. i cannot imagine losing being addicting.
I guess because for some people (like me) it isn't whether I win or lose, but whether I had fun while winning or losing. And fun is addicting, no matter what form it takes.

[Danicia]

Danicia, I thought you enjoyed the happy fun weekend slugfest?

I did! I had avoided PVP until the end of closed beta actually. All this time I've been around, I was never in a PVP fight. After fighting side by side with the French and the Spanish at various times, I really enjoyed it!

Now I'm much more confident. Believe it or not, it was a LOT of posting in the old PVP forums that helped me understand what y'all really liked about it and how to use my skills better. Not to mention, the In-Game assistance I received from many beta testers.

I still don't PVP in other games. :D

[Danicia]

I guess because for some people (like me) it isn't whether I win or lose, but whether I had fun while winning or losing. And fun is addicting, no matter what form it takes.

Sam, that is the *exact* way I see it. I might win or lose, but did I have fun? If yes, I'll continue to do it regardless of said outcome of a PVP encounter. :D

[Blue Spirit]

I don't care much for PvP either, I dislike being around a bunch of ego-tastic children. =)

[Cik]

I don't care much for PvP either, I dislike being around a bunch of ego-tastic children. =)

Thats mature :) There's no proper way to address something that someone doesn't like when that something they dont like happens to be something that is designed for the thing they don't like and they end up purchasing it anyway...huh? If you don't like Chinese or working for a Chinese restaurant then don't frequent it or work for it; that rather than passively, or without experience, lobbying that the Chinese owner change it into a French bistro.

Now thats a silly comparison...suppose it's appropriate though for a silly thread title and the maturely passive lobbyists. :)

[Athlen]

I have to admit that the most thrilling heartpounding moment I've had in a LONG time gaming came when PvPing here. Being in a Falcon, and having two pirates in a Strals and a cutter try to jump me was intense. Balancing speed vs. turning, mast braces, repair skills, and getting my own shots off to drop the Strals before they could slow me down to board was crazy. I'm an ardent PvE player but I wouldn't totally ignore the PvP, it's a whole different ball of wax in Pirates!

Vox

[SPMaximus]

I have to admit that the most thrilling heartpounding moment I've had in a LONG time gaming came when PvPing here. Being in a Falcon, and having two pirates in a Strals and a cutter try to jump me was intense. Balancing speed vs. turning, mast braces, repair skills, and getting my own shots off to drop the Strals before they could slow me down to board was crazy. I'm an ardent PvE player but I wouldn't totally ignore the PvP, it's a whole different ball of wax in Pirates!

Vox

Most fun PvP battle i had was, when there was like 20 minutes left until Open Beta was over, i was trying to get a last battle in my 'Invincible', saw 3 pirates, 2 'Invincibles' and 1 'Xebec', and engaged them ofcourse ^^
Most fun battle ive had so far, well that i remember :P

[Droppin]

You can, pretty easily, avoid most PvP. The problem is you miss out on a very import part of the game. The game is about flipping ports for your nation and gaining points towards a server win. Now I understand that some of you like the econ side of the game and that is how you participate in the wars, but spilling the blood of your enemies (and getting some of your spilled in the process) I feel attaches you more to the wins.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Sam, that is the *exact* way I see it. I might win or lose, but did I have fun? If yes, I'll continue to do it regardless of said outcome of a PVP encounter. :DBut nothing beats your first solo kill. All by your lonesome, stalking, attacking, and killing an equal or greater prey is a memorable experience. =)

P.S. About 98.3% of the nastiness of PvP can be avoided by turning off emotes and not buying diplomacy. No joke.

[Droppin]

Diplomacy is fun though, just sit and listen to them talk trash while you work your magic and then wave bye bye and the slowly descend into Davey Jones' locker.

[SkyHog]

Not just PVP but combat in general. The closed beta testers can totally vouch for my lack of skill. :)

That being said, no matter how much the NPCs or Player's sink me, I have a great time playing this game.

Danicia, did I sink you in your french fallback ship at the end of closed beta? If so my appologies, but I did ask for a surrender. ;)

Blanco

[ummax]

. MMO's are about finding and meeting people from other countries and exploring their culture. Then you kill them!!!!:yar:


okay i was with you on the part up to the "kill them" then you lost me :)

anyhow there are plenty of MMORPG'S where you do the friend making part and dont kill them (well not directly you may accidently kill them by well .. Leeroy Jenkins? ..)

[Kamui]

The Argonian Ryders on Rackham, are Pirates...at most we are going to do small group PvP....we aren't going to specialize in PvP...but aren't going to deny it. The PvP in this game is about the most intelligent setup I've seen so far. Not to turn this into a recruiting thread, but we are recruiting...lol

If you really don't want to PvP as a pirate, you're going to have to make sure you don't capture any ships that are reserved for another class, such as a FT only or NO only ship. Because if you DO capture one of them...well, whether you want it to or not you'll be auto flagged for PvP. And that might just ruin your day <G>.

[Amberry]

It's kinda like when Squidward didn't want to get in the snowball fight with Patrick and Sponge bob, but after he started he couldn't stop. (Sorry I tend to use Sponge bob as life examples..yes I know it's irritating. )

Haha well it is not irritating to me, everyone should use sponge bob references in everyday life.
Cute :)


I recommend starting with a quick cheap ship like a Bermuda sloop that can get away from most unfair fights... and if it can't that's where the "cheap" part comes in handy.

I have no idea about the different kind of ships and stuff yet so thank you for giving me advice hehe :D I will give this much thought when I go to buy my first new ship ^_^


You can, pretty easily, avoid most PvP. The problem is you miss out on a very import part of the game. The game is about flipping ports for your nation and gaining points towards a server win. Now I understand that some of you like the econ side of the game and that is how you participate in the wars, but spilling the blood of your enemies (and getting some of your spilled in the process) I feel attaches you more to the wins.

I just want to be able to avoid it when I choose to, like I want to know I can level and stuff without HAVING to pvp :)


If you really don't want to PvP as a pirate, you're going to have to make sure you don't capture any ships that are reserved for another class, such as a FT only or NO only ship. Because if you DO capture one of them...well, whether you want it to or not you'll be auto flagged for PvP. And that might just ruin your day <G>.

@____@

[Danicia]

But nothing beats your first solo kill.

That hasn't happened for me yet. :)

[Danicia]

Danicia, did I sink you in your french fallback ship at the end of closed beta? If so my appologies, but I did ask for a surrender. ;)

Blanco

probably. :) I didn't see a surrender request...probably too busy screaming "GET OFF OF ME YOU AAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE I'M SUNK!"

[8Track]

I've been PvPing for yonks, and play countless Deathmatches, Team Deathmatch, Cap the flag ect (I'm not stroking my special here.)

But without fail, the first kill of the day, my hands shake. I love the challange of another player.

That said, I'd be willing to bet the majority of PvPers, would happily help an PvE'er smuggle something into a dangerous zone...for a price, of course.

[OddjobXL]

I've got some experience with Eve Online and this seems to be aiming towards that same kind of division of labor. Some folks like econ, some folks like roleplaying (that's PR and diplomacy when you're playing a strategic game) and some folks like PvP. Some like two or more of the above.

An ideal design will offer niches where folks can go and do what they like doing unmolested but plenty of temptations to cooperate and coordinate with folks who like doing other things for mutual benefit.

PvPers don't like PvE? Let the PvEer's destabilize a port. PvEer merchants need an escort through contested waters? Hire or recruit talented PvPers. Want mature players who can handle themselves with style? Recruit roleplayers into your group and get them to write dispatches and get into debates with your server rivals. And of course, the merchant princes and strategists are creatures unto themselves. There's a place for them too as councilors to the admirals...

A good leader will find a home for each and every one of these folks and use them wisely.

[Ravenau deLusan]

...
I just want to be able to avoid it when I choose to, like I want to know I can level and stuff without HAVING to pvp :)You can avoid combat PvP altogether. Econ "PvP" is another matter, but I assume you are talking about combat. Get several ships, you get a free one for completing the econ tutorial, locate them at different ports - one in each port you have structures in for instance and another to use for leveling or transport. You can port between ships over any distance.

Check the map when you login to see where zones are so you can tell where not to go. Plan out your session from there. Even if your econ ports are in zones you can port to a ship there and carry out econ activities. At times you may not be able to do anything w/o crossing a zone so put another character on another world and login into that one if you must have a PvP-free PotBS session.

However, don't judge PvP in PoBS by past experience. You will always get to fight back. There is no, "stun, stun, root, stun, dead" PvP here. If you like the PvE missions & adhoc PvE you'll like the PvP in PotBS. Get a group together and take on some NPCs in the Open Sea. It's more fun in a group.

A group of players can take out a group of much higher rank NPCs easily. Start small though. Take on groups more or less equal to your own and work your way up to some higher ranked groups. You'll learn to work together as a team and you'll get pretty good XP as well. Appoint someone as group leader and let that person give orders and coordinate the attack. Next battle appoint someone else to lead. Rinse and repeat for awhile.

Preparing for PvP is a bit different than PvE. You can get away with little to no outfitting in PvE, but you'll want it for PvP. It matters more in 1 on 1 battles and matters less in fleet battles, but it still matters. Don't overpay for it, there isn't any "I win" outfitting. Make sure you have ammo and repair consumables.

A few hours of practice and you're ready to try PvP. It's way more fun & challenging than the PvE. Sure, you'll get whacked sometimes, maybe often, but each is a learning experience. PotBS has many fun aspects, but to me the greatest of them all is the port battle. Once you've been in one, win or lose, you'll be hooked and probably never play another PvE only game again.

Good Luck.

[Chuskarl Voox]

Will I be able to avoid most pvp? Just wondering

lol go play pacman mate

[OddjobXL]

lol go play pacman mate

Y'see - this is one reason there is a huge swath of gamers that will never touch a game with PvP in it. This attitude. It's the main reason I tend to avoid direct PvP myself. I'm really too old, and too busy, and have too many different options for entertaining myself to even put up with this.

Mosh pits were cute and exciting when I was much younger. I really don't have the patience for this anymore.

[Keyh]

I'm not a big fan of PvP myself, but it's alot different in here than in most game I've played.

In other games, it's pretty much you get jumped, rooted or held or something and die without fighting back. In here you have a chance to fight back or run no matter who the opponent is.

[Marik]

I must admit, I've never been much of a PVP'er in other games either, but the first time I did it here with a group, it got me hooked.

So I think the best way to test the PVP waters is with a group and with a ship and items your won't mind terribly losing. Then if you like it can get more bold, or stick with being in groups for a taste now and then.

You can avoid most of the PVP by planning your routes or optimizing your escape skills if absolutely need to go through PVP zones, so its still an option if don't want to engage.

But again give it a shot with a group now and again - one game where I think its worth trying and your skill plays a bigger role, and level/items a lesser role.

Case in point - remember a group of lvl 11- 20 rookies taking on a lone lvl 45 pirate and won - wolfpacks can be dangerous in certain situations if play it smart.

Not saying taking on an invincible with group of halifax's is going to work, but in this game the playing field isn't quite as harsh as other MMO games.

Good fortune!

Marik

[P. Pete]

I don't care much for PvP either, I dislike being around a bunch of ego-tastic children. =)

I'm selling really cheap sets of extra broad brushes if anyone wants to paint another group or people all in the same colour at once.

[bpdlr]

I'm selling really cheap sets of extra broad brushes if anyone wants to paint another group or people all in the same colour at once.

QFE

.........

[Seco]

Y'see - this is one reason there is a huge swath of gamers that will never touch a game with PvP in it. This attitude. It's the main reason I tend to avoid direct PvP myself. I'm really too old, and too busy, and have too many different options for entertaining myself to even put up with this.

Mosh pits were cute and exciting when I was much younger. I really don't have the patience for this anymore.

Wow. Go with the Decaf. He makes a very minor comment and you pop a vein?

[stover4444]

You realize, for everyone person that doesnt PVP, especially in a low pop server, your making the game miserable for x10 more people. How you say? Well every nation needs people to pvp to help maintain ports or ACTUALLY TRY TO WIN, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS GAME? By you not participating in PVP, your letting down many people, your own nation. So a long story short, no you do not have to participate in PVP, but is everyone on your nation relying on every person to help? Yes.

On another note, FLS should have done PVP contention during this pre-boarding party. You, FLS, are leading people to believe that this "pre-boarding" game that were in currently is how the game is. Which is not even close. Once contention roles around i can see many people leaving because "there ship got sunk and now they have no money and cannot get into port without being attacked". After being in CB and OB for a while, i can tell you now, this game isnt for the weak hearted. It really stinks when you lose your 150k (or much more, sometimes 1 million) doubloon ship with another 50k worth of goods, having to suck up your loss and go at it again. For all you WoW or EQ players, imagine everytime you died you lost a piece of Epic gear, then have to go earn it all over again.

[Amberry]

You realize, for everyone person that doesnt PVP, especially in a low pop server, your making the game miserable for x10 more people.

I'd just like to say, I don't give a crap. I am paying money for a game I want to play the way I want to play and I just made this thread to see if its possible. And secondly I'd like to see where you get your statistics, "x10" more people MISERABLE? Because I don't want to pvp? I think not. I bet no one in the game would ever even notice my existence much less make them miserable because I don't pvp.

[Archavious]

I'd just like to say, I don't give a crap. I am paying money for a game I want to play the way I want to play and I just made this thread to see if its possible. And secondly I'd like to see where you get your statistics, "x10" more people MISERABLE? Because I don't want to pvp? I think not.
I agree. What *i think* he is referring to: If you don't PvP you wont loose ships/outfittings and the economy slows for your nation.
I bet no one in the game would ever even notice my existence much less make them miserable because I don't pvp.
Playing on a lower pop server I try to get to know everyone. I have found it helps the RvR if you are fighting for your friends and not some random people online.

[Promotay]

The Argonian Ryders on Rackham, are Pirates...at most we are going to do small group PvP....we aren't going to specialize in PvP...but aren't going to deny it. The PvP in this game is about the most intelligent setup I've seen so far. Not to turn this into a recruiting thread, but we are recruiting...lol

intelligent setup?

you're crazy. the pvp is for sh!t, right now.

everyone is being gamed.

stealth sails? wtf?

entering combat/pvp flag bugs, flare bugs.

I think they should get rid of the boarding until they fix it. perhaps a new aggro system or take out the npc's altogether.

[ArtFarliner]

I've never been a fan of PvP in most games, exception beeing SWG space PvP, as in most MMO games it bears zero reassamblance to any sort of real combat - characters running wild all over the place, rabbithopping around, with no benefit of maintaining ranks and such. Here, however, I have found PvP to be a rewarding experience - one of my most fondly remembered encounters were part of a larger battle where two pirates were tackling my Falcon (MC cutter and Locust I belive) it ended with cutter narrowly escaping and Locust on the way to Davy Jones and my frigate beeing very heavy damaged, but, it was grand fun - here, correct positioning, thinking ahead and maintining formations with your allies has a great vallue - smaller ships working togeather will win in most cases even against larger and more numerous foes who fight as individuals.

[P. Pete]

flare bugs

there is no flare in PvP ....unless you mean you have it working in PVP which actually would be a bug.


you're crazy. the pvp is for sh!t, right now

There really isn't any pvp atm, without contention zones.

when it was working in open beta though, pvp was great fun.

Team work and communication trumps pretty much anything other then flat out speed.

[Amberry]

I agree. What *i think* he is referring to: If you don't PvP you wont loose ships/outfittings and the economy slows for your nation.

Playing on a lower pop server I try to get to know everyone. I have found it helps the RvR if you are fighting for your friends and not some random people online.


I get what he is saying I guess but I was just being cranky because I didn't make a thread to hear that crap I just wanted information about avoiding pvp, and only information regarding that. Not other bullcorn like that or telling me to go play pac man. >.> and anyone else who wants to say something like that, well you can just forgot typing it up and just kiss the fattest part of my toe :D

btw I think its cool to try to get to know most people, I would love to try some pvp with good friends I think that would be fun =]

[Andrea LeSangre]

Well, I'm the PvE player, cuz my first and only MMO love so far is Dungeons and Dragons Online. And I just got way too much used to PvE.

I'm willing to give a shot at PvP though... just because you can't RP a proper Privateer/Naval Officer , without fighting against all those criminals sailing under Jolly Roger. Besides great naval battles brought me into this game. I'd love to play escape from Maracaibo, like captain Blood did :) or a battle for Port Royal (from same book :P).

Besides, A.I is one of the most stupid I've met :P beat even Waterworks Kobolds from DDO :D, and it's no fun to outmanouvre and kill a bot pirate :P so there is no challenge in sinking enemy ships :D

To tell the truth, I'll avoid PvP for some time, till I get used to controlling ship, learning some tricks of trade, and not being pwnd in first few seconds of fight :D.

[DajUcf2007]

Pvp in this game is lame. Period. I logged in for 2 mins still sailing, then my computer crashed, and i relogged to find some loser named Brutus on the kidd server just wrecking my stuff. seriously, how frustrating can this get?

[Andrea LeSangre]

I'd blame game system. It happens. When you crashed, you were still logging at server - like ghosted. And before your ship was logged out, some seconds after crash, you get hit.

Happens in any MMO ;)

[karkh]

By you not participating in PVP, your letting down many people, your own nation. So a long story short, no you do not have to participate in PVP, but is everyone on your nation relying on every person to help? Yes.

What a crock. You speak for yourself alone. You can not claim anything about what YOUR NATION thinks unless you are a politician.:rolleyes:

People play games for any amount of reasons, making demands on them to play your way is just ludicrous.

[P. Pete]

Pvp in this game is lame. Period. I logged in for 2 mins still sailing, then my computer crashed, and i relogged to find some loser named Brutus on the kidd server just wrecking my stuff. seriously, how frustrating can this get?

That is so people can't just quit the game every time they think they'll loose in PvP.

Rule #1: don't take out what you can't afford to loose.

its the same way in most MMO's, else what'd be the point of pvp if people could just /quit every time they are about to loose?

though it also sounds a lot like you were alone, which really is a bad idea. Having spent months PvPing in beta, going alone and not being prepared to be sunk is a really really bad combo.

[Quavis]

You realize, for everyone person that doesnt PVP, especially in a low pop server, your making the game miserable for x10 more people. How you say? Well every nation needs people to pvp to help maintain ports or ACTUALLY TRY TO WIN, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS GAME? By you not participating in PVP, your letting down many people, your own nation. So a long story short, no you do not have to participate in PVP, but is everyone on your nation relying on every person to help? Yes.


Ignore this guy.

You don't need to pvp at all and you can still help your nation win, even in RvR. Almost all contention at least through the pirate pvp stage is done by PvE grinding, not through pvp. This caused all sorts of whining during open beta forums because the "hardcore" pvpers didn't wany to do any pveing at all and as a result there were very few red zones. PvE is absolutely needed for the big picture RvR. The only part of RvR that REQUIRES pvp is the final 25v25 port battles. Having more than 25 people from a nation availible and wanting to fight should never be a problem even on the most sparsely populated servers so you dont let your nation down by declining an invitation (it will go to someone else. In fact, many of the PvPers will appreciate the fact you don't want to pvp and declined the spot as it puts one more PVPer into the battle who would probably do a better job at it than you would.

Further, you can both help generate or help reduce contention economically, which also has the side effect of removing goods/db from the economy just as sinking ships in PVP would. You can also help by producing goods which help those that are PvPing. Pure pvpers wont be building their own ships, and someone has to. Theres also those upgrates which can make or break a fight that would otherwise be even. Wars can be won or lost on the home front and its economical support just as easily as they can on the battlefields.

As many others have said, its pretty easy to avoid PvP in this game if you want to, just as its fairly easy to find it if you are looking for it (after they turn contention on). Personally, like many others, I'm not very good at PvP yet, so I avoid it as much as I can. My only pvp fights have been 1v1 against a better skilled opponent. They consisted of me trying several tactics which didn't go as I had planned, getting smacked around a bit, and then me finding my best point, tipping my hat and headed for the exit. I've never been in a port battle, but I've spent many many hours getting contention points and helping throw ports into pvp status. As soon as they hit pirate pvp, I move on to the next one. Eventually I'd like to learn how to pvp better, and spend more time at it, but for now I mostly pve. You can definantly contribute to your nations success without ever pvping.

[johnnyjet]

There is a segment of the mmo world that prefers to solo PVP, and doesn't want to have to join a group or a society everytime they log on in order to play, either because that is their preference or due to time constraints, or whatever. People should not be forced to group in order to have a chance at PVP.

Sounds like you are saying this game is not for the Solo pvp'r and I think at the moment you are right but that is not good for the game...

The DEVs should take this into consideration. I don't think you want to write off solo PVP, there are already enough complaints about the overall PVP in the game.

I know some people DO solo PVP (beta) but they are few and far between, and I think that is going to be a problem. There are plenty of ideas in the forums on how to improve the solo PVP experience. I hope FLS is listening.

[bonelizzard]

Sounds like you are saying this game is not for the Solo pvp'r and I think at the moment you are right but that is not good for the game...

There are many, many pvpers in this game who go it alone. If you are interested in this style roll pirate and search the old forums for every post by Garbad the Weak and Jack Simple, and of course the stuff by Taelorn and assorted Devs.

[P. Pete]

Doesn't matter what FLS do, 6 people > 1 person, given the same ship.

as with most MMOs, its group-centric.

Just like making ships, 1 person *can8 do it, but a group of people will do it a lot more quickly and efficiently.

1 person *can* go pvp, but chances are, they will get sunk by a group of people.

There is no way to make solo pvp an even playing field without ruining the game by removing the advantage of communication and tactics.

ask Jack simple, he's a fantastic solo PvPer, but even my relatively newb group in beta with 4 freetraders and an NO/privateer could beat him because he couldn't always run away.


If your going to solo pvp, be good at running away.

[Amberry]

Ignore this guy.

You don't need to pvp at all and you can still help your nation win, even in RvR. Almost all contention at least through the pirate pvp stage is done by PvE grinding, not through pvp. This caused all sorts of whining during open beta forums because the "hardcore" pvpers didn't wany to do any pveing at all and as a result there were very few red zones. PvE is absolutely needed for the big picture RvR. The only part of RvR that REQUIRES pvp is the final 25v25 port battles. Having more than 25 people from a nation availible and wanting to fight should never be a problem even on the most sparsely populated servers so you dont let your nation down by declining an invitation (it will go to someone else. In fact, many of the PvPers will appreciate the fact you don't want to pvp and declined the spot as it puts one more PVPer into the battle who would probably do a better job at it than you would.

Further, you can both help generate or help reduce contention economically, which also has the side effect of removing goods/db from the economy just as sinking ships in PVP would. You can also help by producing goods which help those that are PvPing. Pure pvpers wont be building their own ships, and someone has to. Theres also those upgrates which can make or break a fight that would otherwise be even. Wars can be won or lost on the home front and its economical support just as easily as they can on the battlefields.

As many others have said, its pretty easy to avoid PvP in this game if you want to, just as its fairly easy to find it if you are looking for it (after they turn contention on). Personally, like many others, I'm not very good at PvP yet, so I avoid it as much as I can. My only pvp fights have been 1v1 against a better skilled opponent. They consisted of me trying several tactics which didn't go as I had planned, getting smacked around a bit, and then me finding my best point, tipping my hat and headed for the exit. I've never been in a port battle, but I've spent many many hours getting contention points and helping throw ports into pvp status. As soon as they hit pirate pvp, I move on to the next one. Eventually I'd like to learn how to pvp better, and spend more time at it, but for now I mostly pve. You can definantly contribute to your nations success without ever pvping.


Thank you that was a great post :)

[Danicia]

Having more than 25 people from a nation availible and wanting to fight should never be a problem even on the most sparsely populated servers so you dont let your nation down by declining an invitation (it will go to someone else. In fact, many of the PvPers will appreciate the fact you don't want to pvp and declined the spot as it puts one more PVPer into the battle who would probably do a better job at it than you would.

That person is me. I will always turn them down as I'm not very good at it. I'd rather our nation win and do my part in other ways. I'd rather have the people who LOVE PVP to get into the port battle. :)

[Garbad_the_Weak]

That person is me. I will always turn them down as I'm not very good at it. I'd rather our nation win and do my part in other ways. I'd rather have the people who LOVE PVP to get into the port battle. :)But if you tried it you would love it =(

[Danicia]

But if you tried it you would love it =(

True, but PVP isn't my true love. Maybe once I get more practice in I'd be more confident in taking on the port battle. Heck, I fail at PVE a lot much less trying to learn PVP. :)

[Gameking]

After my first day of live server and full contention being turned on I will have to say I am impressed with the PVP the way it is set up. I would still like to have a Full Pirate PVP server where pirates can attack anyone.

So to anyone I may have possibly offfended with my Pacman statement we can clear things up outside Port-of-Spain on the Bonny server anytime!!!:yar:

The thing PVE'rs need to keep in mind concerning PVP is this. At some point in time we all SUCK. Only by practice and experience will you ever get better. And that means you die alot when ur new to PVP so don't feel bad we have ALL been there.

[Pansoff]

I don't consider myself a PvP'er since I just don't get really excited by it, at least by the tactical execution of it. IMO, most PvP battles are decided before the first shot is fired. From time to time you might get something that is evenly matched, but that is not common. More often than not, it is sort of by chance that it happens.

Now, I do love the threat of PvP. I was a very good blockade runner and courier over in EVE. And being able to slip though a massive gate camp with some expensive cargo always gave me a rush.

For me, I won't avoid PvP areas. If there is profit to be made, then I will kit out a smuggler or blockade runner. But right now I am still building up my capital for my economic base.


-GP