THis is sad

[Reeking Cannonait]

Just went sailing around flagged for 3 hours nobody would fight me. What is wrong with you people?

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

What were you in?

[Kivek]

im guessing buc in CB

[Reeking Cannonait]

im guessing buc in CB

nope dont yu see my career is cut. A cut in a cursed blade. THen when i was with my group only 4 of us 6 spanish ran from us in there hh, intrepids, and such what is that.

[Kivek]

CB nuff said

[Percival Haddoch]

Just went sailing around flagged for 3 hours nobody would fight me. What is wrong with you people?

We must have missed each other, I also sailed around a couple of hours flagged today. Had loads of good fights but had to the agressor in all of them.

[SkttLes]

Just went sailing around flagged for 3 hours nobody would fight me. What is wrong with you people?

Maybe you should try this in other ships, with cutthroats.

[Reeking Cannonait]

CB nuff said

A cutt in a cb is not that tough. YOU guys act like this ship is some sort of demon or something. Every class of nat in a cap mc is stronger or as strong then a cut in a cursed blade. If you rig out your caps right. NOw a buc in a cb is a different game completly. Besides im not going to sail around in crap ships. YOU all know a no in a cap mc will way overpower a cutt in cap mc. So will a priv. Im not going to sail around in crap ships so your crap ships can easily sink me.

[mud117]

A cutt in a cb is not that tough. YOU guys act like this ship is some sort of demon or something. Every class of nat in a cap mc is stronger or as strong then a cut in a cursed blade. If you rig out your caps right. NOw a buc in a cb is a different game completly. Besides im not going to sail around in crap ships. YOU all know a no in a cap mc will way overpower a cutt in cap mc. So will a priv. Im not going to sail around in crap ships so your crap ships can easily sink me.

But this is about getting a fight, not the equality of a fight.

[SkttLes]

YOU all know a no in a cap mc will way overpower a cutt in cap mc. So will a priv. Im not going to sail around in crap ships so your crap ships can easily sink me.
Ok so, last I checked, A cut in an MC Cap has more DPS and more maneuverability than an NO/priv in an MC Cap.

YOU guys act like this ship is some sort of demon or something.
You seem to be having trouble answering this question, What other ship has the armor of an hherc, 16.4 speed, while still keeping that much DPS and maneuverability?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Ok so, last I checked, A cut in an MC Cap has more DPS and more maneuverability than an NO/priv in an MC Cap.

Oh but your wrong. A no Has two skills that will give them the same turn rate as a cutt. And yes we have more dmg but the dmg does not overpower the resistance of both of those classes. Yes i know we have deaths embrace and such. I have had a cap mc outturn me with the skills cripple, dmg rudder. now either he was hacking or you guys just not rigged right.
You seem to be having trouble answering this question, What other ship has the armor of an hherc, 16.4 speed, while still keeping that much DPS and maneuverability?

the mercy. It may have less armor buy you have more resistance so makes up for the armor resistance. THe mercy has higher dmg then a a cursed. In fact i know a cursed blade will lose to a mercy in a broadside to broadside fight. I will win with the pirate tactic of stern shots. NO's are built too linefight we are not. Use what your good for and you will win.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

A cutt in a cb is not that tough.

I just saw you on the OS. You have 4065 sails and 2186 armor. Of course you won't get a fight. If you would get skill you wouldn't need that ship. Hell, my CT uses a Conq Sleek becuase nowadays nobody will fight him in anything else.....and I still have yet to lose a even 1v1 on him.

[SkttLes]

the mercy. It may have less armor buy you have more resistance so makes up for the armor resistance. THe mercy has higher dmg then a a cursed. In fact i know a cursed blade will lose to a mercy in a broadside to broadside fight. I will win with the pirate tactic of stern shots. NO's are built too linefight we are not. Use what your good for and you will win.

less DPS, less armor, much, much less maneuverability. Try again.

Oh, and the mercy is also short 590 structure.

[Captain Lackey]

The 'Mercy' is crap, actually, compared to the other refits of it's level (Intrepid, CB, Achilles). It's a testament to the NO skillset that it's even allowed to compete.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I just saw you on the OS. You have 4065 sails and 2186 armor. Of course you won't get a fight. If you would get skill you wouldn't need that ship. Hell, my CT uses a Conq Sleek becuase nowadays nobody will fight him in anything else.....and I still have yet to lose a even 1v1 on him.

Ye im rigged to fight. YOU have to have lots of sails or you be demasted in 1v1. A no with only 1700 armor is equal if not more my 2100 armor. We have been nothing but debuffed since launch and so have are ships. YOu guys can achieve the same 50%dmg res as a buc with a no. NOt going to tell how if you dont knowPrivs can get lots of resistance as well dont now the number off the top of my head.

[thedumbcusin]

I minimized the game while pvp flagged on the OS earlier today, and started watching youtube videos.

About an hour later I heard a cannnon fire, realized I had completely forgoten I had the game up, and brought it up to find my MC Cap demasted with a Raa MC and PHerc within 100 yards of me. I popped all of my repairs and managed to sink the Raa, but the PHerc sunk me before I could get my sails back up and sink him.

Anyway, people probably aren't fighting you for the reasons listed above. You're sailing around in an OP ship. You can run away from anything that could sink you, and you can easily sink anything that can catch you.

[SkttLes]

Ye im rigged to fight. YOU have to have lots of sails or you be demasted in 1v1. A no with only 1700 armor is equal if not more my 2100 armor. We have been nothing but debuffed since launch and so have are ships. YOu guys can achieve the same 50%dmg res as a buc with a no. NOt going to tell how if you dont knowPrivs can get lots of resistance as well dont now the number off the top of my head.

You didn't answer my question.

What other ship has the armor of an hherc, 16.4 speed, while still keeping that much DPS and maneuverability?

[mud117]

Ye im rigged to fight. YOU have to have lots of sails or you be demasted in 1v1. A no with only 1700 armor is equal if not more my 2100 armor. We have been nothing but debuffed since launch and so have are ships. YOu guys can achieve the same 50%dmg res as a buc with a no. NOt going to tell how if you dont knowPrivs can get lots of resistance as well dont now the number off the top of my head.

With no Resist outfittings....

NO: Scatter Shot + Fortress + Defender: Resist + Career = 39.

Privy: Unpredictibiity: Resist + Evasion = 33.

FT: Defender + Determination + Battle Prep: Defense + Reinforcement + Career = 33

[Reeking Cannonait]

[QUOTE=mud117;675137]With no Resist outfittings....

NO: Scatter Shot + Fortress + Defender: Resist + Career = 39.

Privy: Unpredictibiity: Resist + Evasion = 33.

FT: Defender + Determination + Battle Prep: Defense + Reinforcement + Career = 33[/Q

my no on bb achieves 50% resist fitted so you can get there.


Beside 39 resist is the same as a buc can hold most of battle they can get 50 resist only for a little while.

So either way no or prive 1700 1800 armor is equal to my 2100.

[SkttLes]

Well then your not rigging riht becuase my no on bb achieves 50% resist

Does this mean you have no answer to my question?

[mud117]

Well then your not rigging riht becuase my no on bb achieves 50% resist

With no Resist outfittings....

Answers itself...

[Jason Black]

A cutt in a cb is not that tough. YOU guys act like this ship is some sort of demon or something. Every class of nat in a cap mc is stronger or as strong then a cut in a cursed blade. If you rig out your caps right. NOw a buc in a cb is a different game completly. Besides im not going to sail around in crap ships. YOU all know a no in a cap mc will way overpower a cutt in cap mc. So will a priv. Im not going to sail around in crap ships so your crap ships can easily sink me.

its not that its too tough

Its just that you have the speed and damage to kill anything that can catch you and run from anything that can kill you

Its just a big minerva mc

[SeraphicRadiance]

its not that its too tough

Its just that you have the speed and damage to kill anything that can catch you and run from anything that can kill you

Its just a big minerva mc

It's perfect for pirates. Run if you can't kill people.

In return, NOs should have ships that completely wipe the floor with everyone, hands down, gg, run-if-you-see-us type skills. That'll shut people up. We should also be slower, to make it less likely for NOs to go failboating.

[Reeking Cannonait]

It's perfect for pirates. Run if you can't kill people.

In return, NOs should have ships that completely wipe the floor with everyone, hands down, gg, run-if-you-see-us type skills. That'll shut people up. We should also be slower, to make it less likely for NOs to go failboating.

Well my cursed cant run very fast. NOt going to give out my speed but its not that fast. And no's are now one of the fastest classes in the game. Notice "one of." See i have been sunk by no's in cap mc's before in my cursed blade. Simply because they are better or I made a noob mistake, Like forgot my admirals or had the wrong fittings on. THe no in a cap mc is tough. I say pretty close to cut in a cursed if they are fitted right.

[scaper34]

Well my cursed cant run very fast. NOt going to give out my speed but its not that fast. And no's are now one of the fastest classes in the game. Notice "one of." See i have been sunk by no's in cap mc's before in my cursed blade. Simply because they are better or I made a noob mistake, Like forgot my admirals or had the wrong fittings on. THe no in a cap mc is tough. I say pretty close to cut in a cursed if they are fitted right.

HELL no they are not, i had a CB bucc with 3k armour catch me when i was going 32.
Then he 2 shotted me right in the ***.

[SkttLes]

I am just going to throw this out there. An NO is pretty fast, and can't shoot/use any skills while he is going fast.

[Reeking Cannonait]

HELL no they are not, i had a CB bucc with 3k armour catch me when i was going 32.
Then he 2 shotted me right in the ***.

exactly a bucc enough said.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Tempest that intrepid you have is tough as nails think we would have got you to if that mercy didnt beat me up so bad. /tiphat you did well in that ship mate was pretty suprised by you.

[scaper34]

my privateer hasnt been unflagged isnce level 1.

[P. Pete]

CB nuff said

I don't mind fighting cutts in CBs, I only find buccs to be difficult in those ships. [cuts aren't easy but I figure its 50/50 chance at least].
Biggest problem with a cutt in a CB is catching the ***** since privateers suck at 180.

I'm in a different time zone but have the same problem recently, sailing about with my flag on and no bites.

[Kivek]

I don't mind fighting cutts in CBs, I only find buccs to be difficult in those ships. [cuts aren't easy but I figure its 50/50 chance at least].
Biggest problem with a cutt in a CB is catching the ***** since privateers suck at 180.

I'm in a different time zone but have the same problem recently, sailing about with my flag on and no bites.

most people dont go around in a kite fit MCH to PvP with though.

[Pir a te]

as a pirate i was pvp flagged 100% of the time and in my entire time on Antigua i was attacked once outside of a redzone

[zymurgeist]

Most people don't look for PvP outside of red zones. It never enters their mind that they should. Some people never even look for 1v1 combat. They're just not interested. There is nothing wrong with that. What is sad is you don't understand not everyone plays the game the way you do.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

CB nuff said

Your talking.....i was Flagged in my 3rd Rate sailing to Orleans...and no one attacked me!WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!>.<

[Charissela d'Avonle]

If you are sailing around solo while flagged, you had better be fast. Otherwise, you are just openly inviting people to gank the **** out of you.

[firewalker22]

You are right 'This is Sad'. It's astounding to me that cutts and buccs go around in OP cursed blades pretending that those ships are equal to caps. The Cursed blade is wacky OP! There is a reason every pirate on the sea uses them. They have the speed, maneuverability, and firepower, accel, and armor. Those ships have no weakness at all. If a Nat gets in an archelon they give up speed for amour. Mont Blanc's give up speed for firepower. The Mercy gives up maneuverability and accel for speed and firepower and armor. The fact that rats have the gall to complain that nobody wants to fight a cursed blade is 'sad' indeed. If a Nat gets into a ship with equal firepower you have to take down the CB sails before you can sink him, or he will just run off when the battle goes bad. The cursed blade however does not have the same challenge. The pirate can focus on damaging the opponent knowing an archelon or Monty will never be able to just run away. You are surprised nobody wants to fight that? I think you said it; Sad indeed.
And don't get me started on what an OP bucc is like in an OP CB.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

If you are sailing around solo while flagged, you had better be fast. Otherwise, you are just openly inviting people to gank the **** out of you.

i realy didn't care for that boat anyways....Charissa, i don't have to worry cause on Roberts its all weird, and thats where everything is....+no one even hit me...it was great..

[gussie]

CTs in CBs are not OP. The only annoying thing about them is their ability to escape. As a Spanish Priv (since the Priv love in the last patch), I've fought two CTs in CBs 1v1. One dumped guns to catch my Cap MC and then ran when I started beating him up. The other lost to my Intrepid. And I'm just not that good.

[dolf22]

CTs in CBs are not OP. The only annoying thing about them is their ability to escape. As a Spanish Priv (since the Priv love in the last patch), I've fought two CTs in CBs 1v1. One dumped guns to catch my Cap MC and then ran when I started beating him up. The other lost to my Intrepid. And I'm just not that good.
You are a strong fighter gussie. I don't know who you fought..they may have been incompetent. I have also beaten many CT in CB. I never said they were untouchable. I am saying this, the ship should not have the best of all worlds:speed, manuever, firepower, armour. No one single Nation should have exclusive access to a ship that can do it all. Every other ship in the game has to make a tradeoff..why do the rats get a ship that is all things to all pirates. Also the intrepid is a good ship, a very good ship. I might go so far as to say next to the CB its the best. In the hands of a skilled captain such as yourself you can win fights against inferior players in OP ships.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

A CT in a CB is more OP than a BU in a CB, except for the fact there are no good/smart CTs out there anymore who know how to 1v1 properly.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

most people dont go around in a kite fit MCH to PvP with though.

I have just learned to ignore his posts becuase they lack relevant information and he needs the best ship to win anything. /endflame

[Reeking Cannonait]

You are right 'This is Sad'. It's astounding to me that cutts and buccs go around in OP cursed blades pretending that those ships are equal to caps. The Cursed blade is wacky OP! There is a reason every pirate on the sea uses them. They have the speed, maneuverability, and firepower, accel, and armor. Those ships have no weakness at all. If a Nat gets in an archelon they give up speed for amour. Mont Blanc's give up speed for firepower. The Mercy gives up maneuverability and accel for speed and firepower and armor. The fact that rats have the gall to complain that nobody wants to fight a cursed blade is 'sad' indeed. If a Nat gets into a ship with equal firepower you have to take down the CB sails before you can sink him, or he will just run off when the battle goes bad. The cursed blade however does not have the same challenge. The pirate can focus on damaging the opponent knowing an archelon or Monty will never be able to just run away. You are surprised nobody wants to fight that? I think you said it; Sad indeed.
And don't get me started on what an OP bucc is like in an OP CB.

the cap mc can kill a cut in cb have done it plenty on bb. francis le clerc has beat me in his cap mc . But i heard he was also accused of things on bb, but not going to talk about it here. as a cut in a mercy i can beat a cursed blade no reason you cant either. the cb is designed for the pirate just like the cap mc is designed for the nat. god i would hate to bring out my pherc you guys would really cry huh.

[Reeking Cannonait]

If you are sailing around solo while flagged, you had better be fast. Otherwise, you are just openly inviting people to gank the **** out of you.

that would have been fine atleast it would have been a fight. My cb is in no way speed fitted i want a warship not a run away ship

[Reeking Cannonait]

You are right 'This is Sad'. It's astounding to me that cutts and buccs go around in OP cursed blades pretending that those ships are equal to caps. The Cursed blade is wacky OP! There is a reason every pirate on the sea uses them. They have the speed, maneuverability, and firepower, accel, and armor. Those ships have no weakness at all. If a Nat gets in an archelon they give up speed for amour. Mont Blanc's give up speed for firepower. The Mercy gives up maneuverability and accel for speed and firepower and armor. The fact that rats have the gall to complain that nobody wants to fight a cursed blade is 'sad' indeed. If a Nat gets into a ship with equal firepower you have to take down the CB sails before you can sink him, or he will just run off when the battle goes bad. The cursed blade however does not have the same challenge. The pirate can focus on damaging the opponent knowing an archelon or Monty will never be able to just run away. You are surprised nobody wants to fight that? I think you said it; Sad indeed.
And don't get me started on what an OP bucc is like in an OP CB.

By the sheet they are not equal. The cap mc can sink a cut in cb. So your blaming me for buffing up my sails because i know thats its biggest weakness. Maybe you should think about doing the same to your ships, dont you think?

You guys are comparing ships designed for 2 different roles. The mercy is a fight in a line ship, just like the no is designed for. THe cb is designed to menuver just like the pirates are built for. Put some agiles on your mercy and stop crying. No's are the easiest to kill solo in 1v1, they are not built to 1v1. Use a priv to pvp solo. You guys are not looking at what your classes are built for is the problem.

[Reeking Cannonait]

CTs in CBs are not OP. The only annoying thing about them is their ability to escape. As a Spanish Priv (since the Priv love in the last patch), I've fought two CTs in CBs 1v1. One dumped guns to catch my Cap MC and then ran when I started beating him up. The other lost to my Intrepid. And I'm just not that good.

Atleast one of you is thinking./clap. Stop solo pvp with the No. Intrepids are mean and can take on a cb. They are one of the hardest ship to kill, if fitted correct of course.

[Reeking Cannonait]

THe point is if you are a no and sail into the red alone in a mercy, a cut in cb hits you. You will most likely lose. That is correct. The NO'S ARE NOT BUILT FOR 1V1 SOLO PVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP USING THEM SOLO. THATS WHAT THE PRIV IS FOR.

[Rchumbucket]

most people dont go around in a kite fit MCH to PvP with though.



Unlike the best pvp'er on antigua who now as a nat gets sunk consistently ???? Yer man your truly the most awesome player period .

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

THe point is if you are a no and sail into the red alone in a mercy, a cut in cb hits you. You will most likely lose. That is correct. The NO'S ARE NOT BUILT FOR 1V1 SOLO PVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP USING THEM SOLO. THATS WHAT THE PRIV IS FOR.

I solo in both Privs and NOs, and guess what happened when said NO fought your CB?

I rest my case.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I have just learned to ignore his posts becuase they lack relevant information and he needs the best ship to win anything. /endflame

I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU IGNORED MY POSTS. YOU SAY THAT YET YOUR POSTING?
Im sorry I have the marks to spend. Not going to let my best ships sit in the dock and rot like most of you nats do. And the cb is not even close to my best ship. My other ship will sink most buccs in there cb's. No, not talking about the first rate either.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU IGNORED MY POSTS. YOU SAY THAT YET YOUR POSTING?
Im sorry I have the marks to spend. Not going to let my best ships sit in the dock and rot like most of you nats do.

I was referring to P. Pete, not you.

[Georgie]

I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU IGNORED MY POSTS. YOU SAY THAT YET YOUR POSTING?
Im sorry I have the marks to spend. Not going to let my best ships sit in the dock and rot like most of you nats do. And the cb is not even close to my best ship. My other ship will sink most buccs in there cb's. No, not talking about the first rate either.

how is this guys threads not deleted and/or he is banned

[Kivek]

I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU IGNORED MY POSTS. YOU SAY THAT YET YOUR POSTING?
Im sorry I have the marks to spend. Not going to let my best ships sit in the dock and rot like most of you nats do.

i had 8.5 mill recently (spent like 3 mill on outfits yesty) does that mean i should buy a 2nd rate just coz i can? no it doesnt. if you want to use the best ship you can afford go ahead and do it but dont complain when people who prefer to challenge themselves and like a bit of variety in their PvP dont want to fight your 2000+ armor uber DPS ship in their 1400 armor speed capri.

[thedumbcusin]

dont complain when people dont want to fight your 2000+ armor uber DPS ship in their 1400 armor speed capri.

What if it's a 1400 armor capri without any speed?

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

What if it's a 1400 armor capri without any speed?

Then yer doin it wrong!

[Georgie]

What if it's a 1400 armor capri without any speed?

then that person is a super nub

[thedumbcusin]

then that person is a super nub

My MC Cap has a dock speed of 17.40, and 1400-1690 broadside armor.

I ain't no super nub! :mad:

Just a regular one. :D

[Kivek]

What if it's a 1400 armor capri without any speed?

5 DMG and 2 turnings and those smooth hull things

[Georgie]

My MC Cap has a dock speed of 17.40, and 1550-1690 broadside armor.

I ain't no super nub! :mad:

Just a regular one. :D

well,u know ur fail when a trinidad has 800 side armor,and is usin sac for speed dump guns all the goodness,and my cap mc (2100) is catchin him,how? and im not usin hax

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

5 DMG and 2 turnings and those smooth hull things

FTs don't really need much extra turning ;)

[thedumbcusin]

well,u know ur fail when a trinidad has 800 side armor

You're fail if you're using a Trinidad, period.

Not really, I just hate that ship. Waste of marks. :)

[Georgie]

You're fail if you're using a Trinidad, period.

Not really, I just hate that ship. Waste of marks. :)

i loved my trinidad on my privvy,not the FT,is not so good :/

[Georgie]

5 DMG

how..i know 2 waddings 1 vicious 1 cant 3 but what is the other??

[thedumbcusin]

how..i know 2 waddings 1 vicious 1 cant 3 but what is the other??

Betrayer's Mod

[SkttLes]

A CT in a CB is more OP than a BU in a CB, except for the fact there are no good/smart CTs out there anymore who know how to 1v1 properly.
^ This.

Moreletters

[Reeking Cannonait]

i had 8.5 mill recently (spent like 3 mill on outfits yesty) does that mean i should buy a 2nd rate just coz i can? no it doesnt. if you want to use the best ship you can afford go ahead and do it but dont complain when people who prefer to challenge themselves and like a bit of variety in their PvP dont want to fight your 2000+ armor uber DPS ship in their 1400 armor speed capri.

Variety? LOL that is funny. 90% of the nats sail around in cap mc's(in the red), where is the variety there. LIke I have said, no one has argued it yet. 1700 armor on a cap mc with the NO or Priv resist skills is about the same if not more then my 2100 armor. I have plenty of pvp ships. WHen these good ones get sunk I will be back in the myrm mc or conq sleek. MY ship dock is full at the moment no room for a paper ship. I have my cb, pherc, trinidad, mercy(wich i got with my trinidad in a 1v1, thank you), then my grind for mods ship. As you can see no room for a paper ship. Sink my last 4 dura on my cb or the 5 on the trinidad or the 1 one on the mercy, or the 3 on the pherc and I will be back in paper ships. Well maybe not since I have enough marks for another 2 cb's and 2 more trinidads.

[SkttLes]

LIke I have said, no one has argued it yet. 1700 armor on a cap mc with the NO or Priv resist skills is about the same if not more then my 2100 armor.
You still have not told me of any ship that comes remotely close to the CB for speed, armor, structure, maneuverability and DPS all at the same time.

Also, if you want to add class skills to this, a priv will have more resist than a cutthroat, and that cutthroat at the same time will have more maneuverability, defense, turn rate, acceleration, damage, and reload rate.

[Vixentrox]

I have sailed around flagged the majority of my time and I do not think I have EVER been attacked outside the red while flagged (unless you count being chased out of red by a squadron). If I have been it happened so long ago that I don't remember it. And it's not like I used a OP ship all the time. Sleek Conquistador, Expedition are hardly OP boats. My others are an Intrepid and Sleek Herc and Triton but I don't use them often. I even used to sail my priv mignone around flagged and wouldn't get hit.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I solo in both Privs and NOs, and guess what happened when said NO fought your CB?

I rest my case.

Yea but your the exception. One of the few caps that have beat me solo in a 1v1 against my cursed. YOU went for my weakest point wich was my sails since I forgot my mast mod in my cargo hold.Oh and guys he did it in a cap mc so stop your crying about the cb being op. STill think you should thank me for honoring the 1v1 even though that guy jumped in , I left my sails down and asked him to leave and he did. That is something most of you need to learn. When you challenge somebody and they accept, that is suppose to be a challenge between you and him/her only. Not, accept then gank!

[Reeking Cannonait]

You still have not told me of any ship that comes remotely close to the CB for speed, armor, structure, maneuverability and DPS all at the same time.

Also, if you want to add class skills to this, a priv will have more resist than a cutthroat, and that cutthroat at the same time will have more maneuverability, defense, turn rate, acceleration, damage, and reload rate.

Not if he is using his unpredictability the way it should be. I have a privateer on bb you cant argue that with me.

[SkttLes]

Yea but your the exception. One of the few caps that have beat me solo in a 1v1 against my cursed. YOU went for my weakest point wich was my sails since I forgot my mast mod in my cargo hold.Oh and guys he did it in a cap mc so stop your crying about the cb being op. STill think you should thank me for honoring the 1v1 even though that guy jumped in , I left my sails down and asked him to leave and he did. That is something most of you need to learn. When you challenge somebody and they accept, that is suppose to be a challenge between you and him/her only. Not, accept then gank!

Umm, you didn't answer my question.

[SkttLes]

Not if he is using his unpredictability the way it should be. I have a privateer on bb you cant argue that with me.

So you are saying a priv can use unpredictability resist, maneuver, and offense at the same time?

[mud117]

So you are saying a priv can use unpredictability resist, maneuver, and offense at the same time?

Don't forget Speed!

[Reeking Cannonait]

So you are saying a priv can use unpredictability resist, maneuver, and offense at the same time?

No. LOL. When doing something use the right unpredictability for what u want to do. When he is about to shoot have resist on. when shooting use offence. So wich one you think you should use when turning? You dont just pick one to use the whole battle.

[SkttLes]

No. LOL. When doing something use the right unpredictability for what u want to do. When he is about to shoot have resist on. when shooting use offence. So wich one you think you should use when turning? You dont just pick one to use the whole battle.

You were trying to add a priv's one single skill to justify that your 2k armor is equal with a priv's 1700 armor. A priv has 18% resist. A cutthroat has +12.5% turn rate, 3 defense, 15% reload rate, 10% damage, 10% acceleration. Seems pretty even to me... :rolleyes:

Oh, and you forgot to answer my question again.
You still have not told me of any ship that comes remotely close to the CB for speed, armor, structure, maneuverability and DPS all at the same time.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Oh, and you forgot to answer my question again.[/QUOTE]

I have already entertained your question in a previous post, go look it up. THe mercy, cb and intrepid are all ships built for there classes role in the game. Of course they are not going to be exactly the same. The mercy built for NO's tanking skills. No's are meant to line fight of course you wont out turn a cb with a mercy. (comments based on base stats from the ship and class skills) BUt a cb will not win a linefight against a No in a mercy. YOU keep trying to compare ships that have a completly different purpose. SInce a cutt can not win a linefight against a no in unfitted ships. What you want us to be just sitting ducks? That would not be fair. Are ships have to be menuverable or we sink. And no's have to stay in there line and keep it broadside to broadside as long as they can. THats what the NO and all there class ships are meant for. Ours are meant to turn. PUt some agile rigs on your mercy or just a general turn mod. THen compare these ships. MY mercy will outturn or atleast stay about even with MOST cutts cb with my mercy setup. With the no turn skills you can make that mercy turn by adding a mod.

[Georgie]

ur worse than a damn republician binx

[Kivek]

^ love the sig

[SkttLes]

THe mercy

You are very short on armor, structure, manueverability, and DPS with a mercy.
1800 armor > 1500 armor
2800 structure > 2200 structure
9.75 turn rate> 9.00 turn rate
7.75 turning accel > 5.85 tunring accel
Don't even get me started with DPS...
intrepid
Short on armor, structure, and speed.
1800 armor > 1500 armor
2800 structure > 2100 structure
16.4 speed > 16.0 speed


See what I am getting at here?

[SeraphicRadiance]

The Cursed Blade's raw, base DPS is compounded upon by the rat's reload and damage modifying abilities. That being said, it's base DPS in itself is superior to the Reason's and the Valiant's at the Cursed Blade's intended battle range, even though multi-deck warships should generally be superior in sheer power. While crappy at long range, it's easy to close range and pulverize players with your boat. In the case of fighting competent players, you can simply throw your guns away and get out of combat.

It's just overall too damned perfect. It's only average department is fighting at mid-long range. That's it. No maneuverability forfeits.

[indenpendanto]

Stopp Running away From me Morgan ^^' its not funny to grieve me

[MichaelMCDaniel]

I had the same problem Binx. Jorge ran from me all day long three days ago and he was in a far better ship than my Cb. But alas I am a Buc in a CB. I laugh at the fear that that boat brings!!!!!!!!!!! Charrisa De Mornay ran from me last night in her intrepid. AND she had three friends.........Such a pity I fart in your general direction...From the bow of my Cursed Blade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Which only has one dura left so it aint invincible LMFAO

[Tamara Reith]

But alas I am a Buc in a CB.

This is where you are going wrong

[dolf22]

the cap mc can kill a cut in cb have done it plenty on bb. francis le clerc has beat me in his cap mc . But i heard he was also accused of things on bb, but not going to talk about it here. as a cut in a mercy i can beat a cursed blade no reason you cant either. the cb is designed for the pirate just like the cap mc is designed for the nat. god i would hate to bring out my pherc you guys would really cry huh.
Pherc has a weakness...speed and reload. Cursed blade does not, she is all things to all men..much like the salt consuming parasite that could assume any form on the original Star Trek, or the Alasimorph that did it with Picard.

Your Cutt in a Mercy can beat any CB? Fight a lot of CB on the open sea do you? oh noes wait you can't! You mean duels 1v1? I am talking real combat.

Did I say a cap has never beat a CB? No, I said it has an unfair advantage. Fact of the matter is I've sank a valiant with a Minerva. No amount of ship advantage will guarantee success or compensate for lack of skill. If your opponent does not know what he is doing he will sink in any ship.

What did you say the weakness of the CB is again?

[Charissela d'Avonle]

But alas I am a Buc in a CB. I laugh at the fear that that boat brings!!!!!!!!!!! Charrisa De Mornay ran from me last night in her intrepid. AND she had three friends.........

Huh?

The only thing I can think of that you might possibly be talking about is that you are that Buc who had a lot more armor AND more sails than me who was repeatedly /challenging me while my small little group was far more concerned about avoiding the 10 or so pirates in the area at the time. One of us was flagged, and it would have been ludicrous to leave him to get ganked just to fight a 1 v 1.

The only thing laughable is how so many pirates feel brave enough to start issuing /challenges when they are in ships with more armor and more sails that the person they are /challenging. It is astounding how often that happens, how they suddenly feel so "brave" to start issuing challenges in that situation. The joke is on you, and all the players like you, who only feel "brave" enough to issue /challenges when they clearly would have a big advantage in a 1 v 1.

Look, a /challenge, to be a real "challenge" should be issued to other players who are in comparable ships with comparable rigs. THAT would show some degree of real "bravery" and willingness to try to win through skill instead of stats. To go around issuing challenges in other situations is nothing more than acting like a cowardly schoolyard bully intentionaly trying to pick out weak oppoents to prove . . . whatever it is that cowardly bullies think they are proving. LOL at you and your absurd notions of what a /challenge is supposed to be, and your ridiculous belief that /challenging opponents when you clearly would have a big advantage in a 1 v 1 proves anything at all other than your lameness as a player afraid to rely on actual skill instead of raw stats.

[dolf22]

By the sheet they are not equal. The cap mc can sink a cut in cb. So your blaming me for buffing up my sails because i know thats its biggest weakness. Maybe you should think about doing the same to your ships, dont you think?

You guys are comparing ships designed for 2 different roles. The mercy is a fight in a line ship, just like the no is designed for. THe cb is designed to menuver just like the pirates are built for. Put some agiles on your mercy and stop crying. No's are the easiest to kill solo in 1v1, they are not built to 1v1. Use a priv to pvp solo. You guys are not looking at what your classes are built for is the problem.
Nope, no, no way.
1)I never said anything about you buffing the sails.
2) What sheet are you talking about? Are you telling me the Cap can outrun a CB? Or in a equal fight It can win without the CB just leaving...yeah right
3)"The mercy is a fight in a line ship" you say?."You guys are not looking at what your classes are built for is the problem." you say? Then stop complaining that they won't 1v1 you in them! Remember you went out looking for combat solo pvp flagged in a CB..the mercy is for the linefight(you say)..so whats the problem? What ship do you suggest they 1v1 you with? Or would you prefer six of them came along in Mercys form a line and gank you?

What did you say the weakness of the CB was again?

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

Yea but your the exception. One of the few caps that have beat me solo in a 1v1 against my cursed. YOU went for my weakest point wich was my sails since I forgot my mast mod in my cargo hold.Oh and guys he did it in a cap mc so stop your crying about the cb being op. STill think you should thank me for honoring the 1v1 even though that guy jumped in , I left my sails down and asked him to leave and he did. That is something most of you need to learn. When you challenge somebody and they accept, that is suppose to be a challenge between you and him/her only. Not, accept then gank!

I thank you for the 1v1 :p

[SkttLes]

Jorge ran from me all day long three days ago and he was in a far better ship than my Cb.

Uh, what? the only ship I was sailing 3 days ago was a disco, and if you really think a raa MC is better than a cursed blade...

Oh wait, you are in the immortals. I guess in the case of someone in that society, raa MC > cursed blade

[Pir a te]

I dont know how people can argue the CB isnt OP, its statistically better in almost every category then any 1 ship a Nat can get.

[P. Pete]

I dont know how people can argue the CB isnt OP, its statistically better in almost every category then any 1 ship a Nat can get.


any other ship period, pirate or nat.

[Pir a te]

id say a Pherc is better than a CB, but its more expensive, although no where near as expensive as it should be (its statistically almost identical to the MCH bar 25 armour and some sails. The Pherc has more DPS though, especially at medium-close range)

[SkttLes]

id say a Pherc is better than a CB

Its got .70 less speed, about 100 less armor, 220 less structure, and cost 3 bundles instead of 50 movs. Pretty balanced eh?




As for combat and 1v1s, I agree that the pherc is a lot better.

[P. Pete]

I'm less concerned about taking on a pherc because of that lower speed.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

Stopp Running away From me Morgan ^^' its not funny to grieve me

SOOOO many things that i can say about that sentance folkert

[Reeking Cannonait]

ur worse than a damn republician binx

I am a republican. I dont like everything handed to me like the democrats. What does politics have to do with the burning sea anyway?

[Reeking Cannonait]

The Cursed Blade's raw, base DPS is compounded upon by the rat's reload and damage modifying abilities. That being said, it's base DPS in itself is superior to the Reason's and the Valiant's at the Cursed Blade's intended battle range, even though multi-deck warships should generally be superior in sheer power. While crappy at long range, it's easy to close range and pulverize players with your boat. In the case of fighting competent players, you can simply throw your guns away and get out of combat.

It's just overall too damned perfect. It's only average department is fighting at mid-long range. That's it. No maneuverability forfeits.

The first thing you nats do is take our crew that takes down both are reload and turning. Are you accounting for that? Did not think so.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Pherc has a weakness...speed and reload. Cursed blade does not, she is all things to all men..much like the salt consuming parasite that could assume any form on the original Star Trek, or the Alasimorph that did it with Picard.

Your Cutt in a Mercy can beat any CB? Fight a lot of CB on the open sea do you? oh noes wait you can't! You mean duels 1v1? I am talking real combat.

Did I say a cap has never beat a CB? No, I said it has an unfair advantage. Fact of the matter is I've sank a valiant with a Minerva. No amount of ship advantage will guarantee success or compensate for lack of skill. If your opponent does not know what he is doing he will sink in any ship.

What did you say the weakness of the CB is again?



A duel is real combat just without marks. BRonze hurts just as much in a duel as it does on the os. Evrything doe all the same things in a duel as it does in a real fight. NO i didnt say any cb. I siad it can take on most cb and can keep up with most in a menuvering fight.

How does a cb have an unfaior advantage? a cap mc is a paper ship(its junk) a cb is a marks ship. damn right it better be better then a cap mc.

[Reeking Cannonait]

any other ship period, pirate or nat.

YOU guys still win fights against them stop crying. Thats all nats have done since the
launch of this game. CRY< CRY< CRY. YOU keep getting buffed . Pirates and our ships keep getting debuffed. PIrates have to be fast and so do our ships. THats the only way to get a fight these days. My cb is not very fast. Most are faster then mine. Nats have stronger skills then we do. THey cost more morale as they should for a stronger affect. AS

[Reeking Cannonait]

You were trying to add a priv's one single skill to justify that your 2k armor is equal with a priv's 1700 armor. A priv has 18% resist. A cutthroat has +12.5% turn rate, 3 defense, 15% reload rate, 10% damage, 10% acceleration. Seems pretty even to me... :rolleyes:

Oh, and you forgot to answer my question again.

Why does the priv only have 1700 armor anyway? EVer hear of outfittings? Why dont you put the privs turn rates and stuff up as well? Including the bufff he gets using his unprectability. And its not just one single skill. Its a skill line with a bunch of buffs.

[Reeking Cannonait]

You are very short on armor, structure, manueverability, and DPS with a mercy.
1800 armor > 1500 armor
2800 structure > 2200 structure
9.75 turn rate> 9.00 turn rate
7.75 turning accel > 5.85 tunring accel
Don't even get me started with DPS...

Short on armor, structure, and speed.
1800 armor > 1500 armor
2800 structure > 2100 structure
16.4 speed > 16.0 speed


See what I am getting at here?
Why dont you guys submit a ticket to fls and see what they say about all this. THey will tell you the same thing. resist matters in this game all the classes have more resist then i do. so it evens out the armor difference. See the problem is yu all want to say evrything we have with buffs but not what you have with buffs. Every class has a diff role and there ships are built for that role.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

Why dont you guys submit a ticket to fls and see what they say about all this. THey will tell you the same thing. resist matters in this game all the classes have more resist then i do. so it evens out the armor difference. See the problem is yu all want to say evrything we have with buffs but not what you have with buffs. Every class has a diff role and there ships are built for that role.

Ruthless its called Quote + so you don't haave to do all that.

[Jarvel]

Ruthless its called Quote + so you don't haave to do all that.
Don't interupt his postcount grind..

:yar:

FLS should implement a forum so some spammers can do dailies without having to grind them out where we have to put up with them.

[gussie]

The first thing you nats do is take our crew that takes down both are reload and turning. Are you accounting for that? Did not think so.

Who loses reload and turning for crew loss, other than FTs? CTs lose reload and accel, like Privs, and Bucs don't lose crew.

[dolf22]

I have done many duels, I know what they are..duh. First of all a cutt in a Mercy is not the same as a NO in a Mercy..of course you can manuever better..you r pirate. So your claim is fraudlent because it predisposes a cutt in a mercy and NO in a mercy are the same when they are not.

Of course a CB(marks ship) will be better than a cap..so lets not compare it to the cap..lets compare it to every other refit on the ocean.

Mercy: weakness poor manuver and accel(in the hands of a NO)
Archelon: Poor speed and marginal guns
Monty: poor speed and manuver
Intrepid: Good all around but excels at nothing(less armor, less guns, less DR, less speed than CB)
achilles Good all around but excels at nothing(less armor, less guns, less DR, less speed than CB)
Cursed Blade...excels in all aspects: best combination of guns, speed, accel turning, damage, DR, Armor...and Crew available for any refit.

Now lets compare the number of people sailing around Intrepids, Achilles, Monts, archelons and Mercys looking for 1v1s. Why do you suppose Pirates that have Cursed Blades are everywhere on the open sea, but not the other classes? Where is the FT sporting around a Monty solo o the High seas? Where is the NO sailing solo in a tanked archelon? Why are rats willing to shell out the Marks for their refit, then take that refit out solo but the other classes won't do the same? I wonder..... You say that those ships are meant for Line fighting. Okay exactly, we have no ship to match you for 1v1 on the high seas so stop complaining that nobody will do it! Which was the entire premise of your post.

[Reeking Cannonait]

[QUOTE=gussie;677415]Who loses reload and turning for crew loss, other than FTs? CTs lose reload and accel, like Privs, and Bucs don't lose crew.[/QUOTE

Yea thats right dont know what i was thinking. Eithe rwya the cb is not op We sink them on bb they are sinkable here. And as long as they are sinkable they are not op. Cap mc should no be able easily sink a cursed anyway. Thats like comparring a vanilla herc to a ph. The fact that a cap mc can even put up a goof fight against a cb makes me think the cap mc is op.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

Who loses reload and turning for crew loss, other than FTs? CTs lose reload and accel, like Privs, and Bucs don't lose crew.

Yea thats right dont know what i was thinking. Eithe rwya the cb is not op We sink them on bb they are sinkable here. And as long as they are sinkable they are not op. Cap mc should no be able easily sink a cursed anyway. Thats like comparring a vanilla herc to a ph. The fact that a cap mc can even put up a goof fight against a cb makes me think the cap mc is op.

lol you need to put a ] at the end of that quote....lol

[Charissela d'Avonle]

And as long as they are sinkable they are not op.

This statement is just flat out wrong.

'Overpowered" does not mean "indestructible".

Something is "overpowered" in a game if it is more powerful than other stuff in the game which costs the same.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I have done many duels, I know what they are..duh. First of all a cutt in a Mercy is not the same as a NO in a Mercy..of course you can manuever better..you r pirate. So your claim is fraudlent because it predisposes a cutt in a mercy and NO in a mercy are the same when they are not.

Of course a CB(marks ship) will be better than a cap..so lets not compare it to the cap..lets compare it to every other refit on the ocean.

Mercy: weakness poor manuver and accel(in the hands of a NO)
Archelon: Poor speed and marginal guns
Monty: poor speed and manuver
Intrepid: Good all around but excels at nothing(less armor, less guns, less DR, less speed than CB)
achilles Good all around but excels at nothing(less armor, less guns, less DR, less speed than CB)
Cursed Blade...excels in all aspects: best combination of guns, speed, accel turning, damage, DR, Armor...and Crew available for any refit.

Now lets compare the number of people sailing around Intrepids, Achilles, Monts, archelons and Mercys looking for 1v1s. Why do you suppose Pirates that have Cursed Blades are everywhere on the open sea, but not the other classes? Where is the FT sporting around a Monty solo o the High seas? Where is the NO sailing solo in a tanked archelon? Why are rats willing to shell out the Marks for their refit, then take that refit out solo but the other classes won't do the same? I wonder..... You say that those ships are meant for Line fighting. Okay exactly, we have no ship to match you for 1v1 on the high seas so stop complaining that nobody will do it! Which was the entire premise of your post.

YEs but i shouldnt be able to out turn another cutt in a cb. the mercy turn rate is lower. BUt if you throw one of them fancy outfittings on . Wow suddenly i can keep up with a cb. imagine that.
Nats have always babied there ships since launch. Thats why more then half you sail around in noob gank boats like the hermes or disco.YOu dont bring them out because you dont want us sailing them. We bring ours out because pirates realize they just pixels and ships are meant to sink. It is a even match if you fit your mercy right. knowing what you know about the mercy and the cb what do you think you shuld put on the mercy? hmmm. maybe some turn rate, maybe some speed just a thought. MOst are scared of even fights. I was out in my tirnidad lastnight an archelon wouldnt fight me until the min mc showed up. My ship has 1700 armor his had 3000 hmmm why woudnt he fight me 1v1? Its because they think there ships are real. not just the pixels they are.

[Reeking Cannonait]

This statement is just flat out wrong.

'Overpowered" does not mean "indestructible".

Something is "overpowered" in a game if it is more powerful than other stuff in the game which costs the same.

Every 1v1 i have lost in the cb was because i was demasted. THen either sunk or boarded afterwords.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

Intrepid: Best solo ship in the game, along with insane turning for a firgate

fixed for you

[Charissela d'Avonle]

MOst are scared of even fights.

This statement applies to Most players of all nations, including Pirates.

Sorry, but the picture you are trying to paint of Pirates in general being brave fighters willing to fight at even odds or againt the odds is just ludicrous. Pirates in general are just as "cowardly" with their ships as Nats in general, but with less excuse for being that way.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

This statement applies to Most players of all nations, including Pirates.

I agree, people totally tank out ships and throw us crap in area on how we are ******* not to fight. Hell, why don't they get a 1400 armor Cap MC will not fight a 353049580 armor CB?

[Reeking Cannonait]

I agree, people totally tank out ships and throw us crap in area on how we are ******* not to fight. Hell, why don't they get a 1400 armor Cap MC will not fight a 353049580 armor CB?

what is with everyone and 1400 armor? I dont see 1400 armor cap mc's very often most running 1700-2000. See you all are saying the base armor for your ships and then my fitted armor. I dont care what anybody says no with 1850 armor is equal to my 2000. Im not looking for fights with 1400 armor cap mc's im just looking for a fight. Stop pretending your good ships are real and bring them out to play. YOu all do orleans enough to replace the stuff you may lose. My cb is not tanked out, Just rigged to fight. 2000 armor is not tanked.

[dolf22]

YEs but i shouldnt be able to out turn another cutt in a cb. the mercy turn rate is lower. BUt if you throw one of them fancy outfittings on . Wow suddenly i can keep up with a cb. imagine that.
Nats have always babied there ships since launch. Thats why more then half you sail around in noob gank boats like the hermes or disco.YOu dont bring them out because you dont want us sailing them. We bring ours out because pirates realize they just pixels and ships are meant to sink. It is a even match if you fit your mercy right. knowing what you know about the mercy and the cb what do you think you shuld put on the mercy? hmmm. maybe some turn rate, maybe some speed just a thought. MOst are scared of even fights. I was out in my tirnidad lastnight an archelon wouldnt fight me until the min mc showed up. My ship has 1700 armor his had 3000 hmmm why woudnt he fight me 1v1? Its because they think there ships are real. not just the pixels they are.
So all the pirates are existential philosophers that realize its just pixels? And the Nats are babies afraid of losing their imaginary ships? That doesn't seem very likely that all the people that have a gram of 'character' would only choose to play pirate.

It seems to me like the best that archelon could achieve in a 1v1, is to injure you enough that you would run away. An Archelon has somewhere between a zero and one Percent chance of keeping a CB in battle. This player that wouldn't fight you sounds pretty smart for not doing it to me.

And you out turning another cutt in a CB when you are in a Mercy requires 1 that you tweak the outfitting and 2 that you have career turning skills of a Pirate to boot. A NO will never even come close with all the outfitting in the game to out manuevering a Cutt in a CB.

[Reeking Cannonait]

This statement applies to Most players of all nations, including Pirates.

Sorry, but the picture you are trying to paint of Pirates in general being brave fighters willing to fight at even odds or againt the odds is just ludicrous. Pirates in general are just as "cowardly" with their ships as Nats in general, but with less excuse for being that way.

Well most of the pirates i sail with realize these ships are not real and dont really care if they lose it. Easy come easy go is our motto. We dont just leroy them but we dont run as often as nats seem to. There are way more nats in expeditions, and bts, and that type of ship then pirates. Im assuming thats because they are either scared of the ship or scared to lose it. We sail a lot more valuable ships in the red then nats ever have.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

what is with everyone and 1400 armor? I dont see 1400 armor cap mc's very often most running 1700-2000. See you all are saying the base armor for your ships and then my fitted armor. I dont care what anybody says no with 1850 armor is equal to my 2000. Im not looking for fights with 1400 armor cap mc's im just looking for a fight. Stop pretending your good ships are real and bring them out to play. YOu all do orleans enough to replace the stuff you may lose. My cb is not tanked out, Just rigged to fight. 2000 armor is not tanked.

I was just exaggerating, and for the record, I have never done a daily.

[Lukasz]

We sail a lot more valuable ships in the red then nats ever have.

Because those valuable ships combined with pirate speed skills allow you to escape unfavourable fights more often than not.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

Well most of the pirates i sail with realize these ships are not real and dont really care if they lose it.

I think everybody who has ever played this game realizes that this is just a game and not real life blood and death where if you get killed it means you really are dead.

That said, it is relatively easy for Pirates to play more recklessly with their ships, because Nats have more time invested in getting ships than Pirates do. A Pirate can play recklessly and constantly stay in ships. A Nat who plays recklessly will soon be stuck in port with nothing but fallbacks.

That understood, it is all the more remarkable that most pirates are afraid to fight at even odds, but only when they have they advantage. Sorry, but again the picture you are trying to portray of brave pirates versus cowardly nats is just ludicrous.

[Maura Sènat]

I think everybody who has ever played this game realizes that this is just a game and not real life blood and death where if you get killed it means you really are dead.

You wouldn't know it by reading the forums. There's way too much internet rage here for me to believe someone somewhere isn't taking this stuff a lot more seriously than they should be.

[Reeking Cannonait]

So all the pirates are existential philosophers that realize its just pixels? And the Nats are babies afraid of losing their imaginary ships? That doesn't seem very likely that all the people that have a gram of 'character' would only choose to play pirate.

It seems to me like the best that archelon could achieve in a 1v1, is to injure you enough that you would run away. An Archelon has somewhere between a zero and one Percent chance of keeping a CB in battle. This player that wouldn't fight you sounds pretty smart for not doing it to me.

And you out turning another cutt in a CB when you are in a Mercy requires 1 that you tweak the outfitting and 2 that you have career turning skills of a Pirate to boot. A NO will never even come close with all the outfitting in the game to out manuevering a Cutt in a CB.


I was in a week trinidad. Yes he can the no can use skills to get his turn rate up 60%, if you have them or not aint my problem. And no i dont have the skill to increase my turn rate just a counterweight rudder tackle, and runner rigs. with those mods i can keep a cb in my arcs most of the fight.

[SkttLes]

How does a cb have an unfaior advantage?

Because it has a stat advantage over every other frigate in the game?

[SkttLes]

Yes he can the no can use skills to get his turn rate up 60%.

lol wut?

Last resort manuever, 20%, takes away your structure.
Last stand, 25%, lasts 30 seconds.
Crew focus maneuver, 10%.


Thats... 55%, then 30% after 30 seconds, with 20% of that reducing your structure.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Because those valuable ships combined with pirate speed skills allow you to escape unfavourable fights more often than not.

HEy now you know hoe we feel when fighting privs. The no is one of the fastest classes in the game now. All your crying since launch finally worked I guess. NO's and privs have been nothing but buffed we keep getting debuffed along with our ships. SHould we start crying about it as much as you guys do. The problem is you nats wont be happy until you can not be beat.

[Reeking Cannonait]

lol wut?

Last resort manuever, 20%, takes away your structure.
Last stand, 25%, lasts 30 seconds.
Crew focus maneuver, 10%.


Thats... 55%, then 30% after 30 seconds, with 20% of that reducing your structure.

either way that should be more than enough to get the job done if you added a turn rate mod to that.

[SkttLes]

either way that should be more than enough to get the job done if you added a turn rate mod to that.

Uhh, 10% with a turn rate mod doesn't come close when we have -50% from crew loss.

[SkttLes]

Hwe keep getting debuffed along with our ships.

What? the cursed blade has been nothing but buffed.

Cursed Blade buff:
patch 1.4 Mast Bonus 10%>25%, topdeck 6lb>8lb, Reload Bonus 7.5%>10%

patch 1.5 Speed 16.3>16.4, Structure/Armor Bonus 20%>60%. Added a pair of 8lb guns

patch 1.6 Reload Bonus 10%>12.5%, Turn Rate Fast 9.45>9.75, Close Haul 75%>80%, Beam Reach 87.5%>90%, 10×8lb>12×8lb

patch 1.7 34×11lb guns>36×11lb

[Reeking Cannonait]

Because it has a stat advantage over every other frigate in the game?

There has to be a best ship in the game. The nats have there rates we have our frigates.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

What? the cursed blade has been nothing but buffed.

Cursed Blade buff:
patch 1.4 Mast Bonus 10%>25%, topdeck 6lb>8lb, Reload Bonus 7.5%>10%

patch 1.5 Speed 16.3>16.4, Structure/Armor Bonus 20%>60%. Added a pair of 8lb guns

patch 1.6 Reload Bonus 10%>12.5%, Turn Rate Fast 9.45>9.75, Close Haul 75%>80%, Beam Reach 87.5%>90%, 10×8lb>12×8lb

patch 1.7 34×11lb guns>36×11lb

Rosie doesn't understand One word you just wrote Jorgie

[Reeking Cannonait]

What? the cursed blade has been nothing but buffed.

Cursed Blade buff:
patch 1.4 Mast Bonus 10%>25%, topdeck 6lb>8lb, Reload Bonus 7.5%>10%

patch 1.5 Speed 16.3>16.4, Structure/Armor Bonus 20%>60%. Added a pair of 8lb guns

patch 1.6 Reload Bonus 10%>12.5%, Turn Rate Fast 9.45>9.75, Close Haul 75%>80%, Beam Reach 87.5%>90%, 10×8lb>12×8lb

patch 1.7 34×11lb guns>36×11lb

Yea thats because the ship absolutly sucked at launch along with all the refits.. The pherc has been debuffed over and over.

[SkttLes]

There has to be a best ship in the game.

Yea thats because the ship absolutly sucked at launch along with all the refits

So after everything you have said in this thread, you just admitted that the cursed blade is the best ship in the game and has been repeatedly buffed?

:rolleyes:

[Reeking Cannonait]

So after everything you have said in this thread, you just admitted that the cursed blade is the best ship in the game and has been repeatedly buffed?

:rolleyes:

Its the best ship for the pirate besides the pherc. It is built for the pirate skills. For the NO the first rates are the best ship in the game for the class. THe privs best ship is herc mc. I think the sleek is better for the priv but thats me. So yes the cursed blade is one of our best ships. That ship had to be buffed. YOU know it sucked at the beginning was not worth the marks. You know as well as i do that when you were a pirate you loved the cursed now that your a nat you hate it. How ironic.
THe NO is a tanking class thats it. Dont like it change classes. The no is meant to linefight not dogfight. GET USE TO IT> YOU ALL KNEW THAT WHEN YOU ROLLED NO!!!!!!!!

[Reeking Cannonait]

YOU cant go nat and pretend to sail like you were still a pirate. YOu have to sail like a NO PRIV, OR FT

[arustyfishhook]

i hate to keep adding fuel to the fire but the 1st rate cost 20 bundles, the mch cost 6 bundles the CB just 50 marks and a ship deed. But really everyone knows about the this ship being the best. FLS wont change it so stop whining.

[SkttLes]

You know as well as i do that when you were a pirate you loved the cursed now that your a nat you hate it!
Actually, I hated the cursed blade. It is ridiculously powerful, but I even scuttled one for the drydock space.


As for the rest...

Its the best ship for the pirate. For the NO the first rates are the best ship in the game for the class. THe privs best ship is herc mc.

Your best ship costs 50 movs, for a priv it is 6 bundles, for a freetrader is is 16 bundles, and for a NO its 20. I don't see the balance.

[Reeking Cannonait]

i hate to keep adding fuel to the fire but the prince cost 20 bundles, the mch cost 6 bundles the CB just 50 marks and a ship deed.

THE cost aint the discussion. THe mercy is just as good of a ship as the cb. BUt if you want to 1v1 dog fight with it have to rig it for that. YOu cant just jump in a ship meant to fight in a line and expect to keep up with a cursed. LIke i said the MERcy will win a linefight against a cursed blade all day long. If your not using your ship for what it is for then you deserve to sink.

[SkttLes]

THe mercy is just as good of a ship as the cb.

The mercy is the worst lvl 50 refit in the game right now, imo.

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

The mercy is the worst lvl 50 refit in the game right now, imo.

Its great for groups

[Reeking Cannonait]

I owuld say I will duel any of you me in my cursed you in your mercy in a line see who wins but then you guys will say i wasent trying or i might say you werent just to be right on these forums.

[SkttLes]

I owuld say I will duel any of you me in my cursed you in your mercy in a line
At what range are these lines? a cursed blade has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more DPS than a mercy.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Its great for groups

Exactly and that is its purpose. To linefight. Wich means with a group in a line for any of you who might get confused.

[Reeking Cannonait]

At what range are these lines? a cursed blade has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more DPS than a mercy.

Any range. UP close i will lose all my crew and with it my reload. at range you will hit i wont. So it dont matter the range.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Actually, I hated the cursed blade. It is ridiculously powerful, but I even scuttled one for the drydock space.


As for the rest...



Your best ship costs 50 movs, for a priv it is 6 bundles, for a freetrader is is 16 bundles, and for a NO its 20. I don't see the balance.

Well thats what you get for being nat you have to build your best ships. Im a pirate I only have to build one of them. YOU KNEW THAT AS WELL WHEN YOU WENT NAT>>

[Charissela d'Avonle]

You know as well as i do that when you were a pirate you loved the cursed now that your a nat you hate it. How ironic.


When I was still a Pirate, I admitted on the forums that the CB was OP. And of course people like sailing OP ships.

[Reeking Cannonait]

OH and besides as a nat should be focused on rvr not fighting the pirates.

[SkttLes]

OH and besides as a nat should be focused on rvr not fighting the pirates.


Okay!



Time to start a petition to have all the nationals stop fighting the pirates.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Okay!



Time to start a petition to have all the nationals stop fighting the pirates.

Go ahead we already have to chase you all down for the most part anyway. YU guys running ont be a new thing.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

Okay!
Time to start a petition to have all the nationals stop fighting the pirates.

AHAHAHAHAHA Not gonna happen

[Reeking Cannonait]

[QUOTE=Morgan Vaan Daan;677634]AHAHAHAHAHA Not gonna happen[/Q



hayhagh shut down jorgie boy

[Reeking Cannonait]

What No More Comments For Me Jorge?

[Blackbeard the Pirate]

Will you please quote somthing properly for once :)?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Will you please quote somthing properly for once :)?

Nah i just quote the whole thing easier then splitting everything up

[P. Pete]

YOU guys still win fights against them stop crying.

YOU keep getting buffed . Pirates and our ships keep getting debuffed.


Thats just because 99% of the pirates are not good players.

Also name the last pirate ship to get nerfed, go on, tell us about these nerfs, or shove your whinging up your ****.

[scaper34]

A smart playing sailing a MC Capri can demolish anything.....well if they know what their doing......also name ONE nat ship that is OP, cmon please tell me.

[Georgie]

CAP MC IS THE LIFE,if possible,i would use it for every thing,1v1's 6v6's hauling pb's grinding

[Reeking Cannonait]

[QUOTE=scaper34;677710]A smart playing sailing a MC Capri can demolish anything.....well if they know what their doing......also name ONE nat ship that is OP, cmon please tell me.[/QUOTe



tHE CAP mc. sINCE it can demolish anything even bundle ships that makes it op.

[Georgie]

tHE CAP mc. sINCE it can demolish anything even bundle ships that makes it op.

YoU NeEd To LeArN hOw To UsE tHe ShIfT KeY. also if the cap mc is op,then so is wetted down pixie dust

[Kivek]

tHE CAP mc. sINCE it can demolish anything even bundle ships that makes it op.

no an OP ship is one that even bad players can be good in such as the CB. the capri with a bad players is still bad.

[mud117]

Cap MC = Win. Hands down. :cool:

[Reeking Cannonait]

no an OP ship is one that even bad players can be good in such as the CB. the capri with a bad players is still bad.


Sorry I dont really think any ships are op. Some are good some are bad. Depends on the player and fittings make a big difference as well. Aklmost Any ship can sink any ship if sailed correctly and fitted for your play style. Any level 50 ship can take on a first rate. Just like any ship can take on a cursed blade if done right. YOU may not be able to sink it because they might run away but that dont mean they are op. Its no different then any of the discos or arcadias or any other ship. If its fast can probably get away from a bad fight.
The cursed blade is not to different from a myrm mc. I can still take on a herc sleek in a myrm mc with out to much of a problem. Does that make the myrm mc op. I dont think it does. Its more about the captain then the ship. Some people call my pherc overpowered. I can fight most rates in a line fight and do pretty well. Renee has dueled my pherc with his rate ship, what did you think about my pherc renee?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Thats just because 99% of the pirates are not good players.

Also name the last pirate ship to get nerfed, go on, tell us about these nerfs, or shove your whinging up your ****.

What is funny is most of the nats were pirates or have pirate alts. Im a pirate and have nat alts.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Was able to sink a dauntless with a fallen refit snow. Does that make it op? I dont think so.

[Morgan Vaan Daan]

Cap MC = Win. Hands down. :cool:

AGREEEEEEEED

[rugger1213]

Was able to sink a dauntless with a fallen refit snow. Does that make it op? I dont think so.

Dauntless is a terrible boat and the people sailing them are probably terrible players.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Dauntless is a terrible boat and the people sailing them are probably terrible players.

That dont matter its still a level 50 ship sunk by a fallen snow a level 20 somehting ship

[Reeking Cannonait]

And atleast i sunk your ***** charrissa

[arustyfishhook]

ruthless if I were you I would cross out Lawyer as a possible job.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

And atleast i sunk your ***** charrissa

I don't think you have much to brag about from that fight. Your CB with 2.1k armor and 4+k sails and a Buc in an MC Minerva versus my Intrepid with 1508 armor and base sails and a Discovery, with both of you getting sunk and you barely managing to sink me right before you got sunk. It was very close to being both of you sunk with no loss on our side. I just couldn't turn quite fast enough to avoid that last stern shot.

See the difference? Us willing to engage with less firepower, less armor, less sails, less everything. I don't want to hear any more crap from you about how brave pirates are versus cowardly nats.

Oh, and btw, you turned down my 1 v 1 challenge earlier, in the same ships and rigs we were both in at the time of the 2 v 2.

[thedumbcusin]

Oh, and btw, you turned down my 1 v 1 challenge earlier

He outright refuses to fight me.

Normally I wouldn't have a problem with that, people can play however they want.

But he gets on here and brags about how he's brave, out in the red willing to fight anything, while us nats are cowardly and afraid of risking ships, yet everytime I've /challenged him (my MC Cap vs. his CB) he declines.

I do see him in the red frequently. Ganking. That's about it.

[SkttLes]

I got a 1v1 with him a while back, used my class repair to take off a debuff and didn't use a consumable,

[P. Pete]

Took down an intrepid yesterday 1v1 without using any repair, even skill repairs.
Doesn't mean the intrepid is a crap ship though.
just means that captain didn't know how to use it well.

Lots of crap pirates in CBs are crap players, doesn't mean that the CB isn't OP due to its combination of stats.

[Reeking Cannonait]

ruthless if I were you I would cross out Lawyer as a possible job.

Lol who ever said I wanted to be a lawyer.

[scaper34]

lal, i 2 shottted some guy in a post MC :)

[Reeking Cannonait]

I don't think you have much to brag about from that fight. Your CB with 2.1k armor and 4+k sails and a Buc in an MC Minerva versus my Intrepid with 1508 armor and base sails and a Discovery, with both of you getting sunk and you barely managing to sink me right before you got sunk. It was very close to being both of you sunk with no loss on our side. I just couldn't turn quite fast enough to avoid that last stern shot.

See the difference? Us willing to engage with less firepower, less armor, less sails, less everything. I don't want to hear any more crap from you about how brave pirates are versus cowardly nats.

Oh, and btw, you turned down my 1 v 1 challenge earlier, in the same ships and rigs we were both in at the time of the 2 v 2.

I thought you were part of that group. I know if i would have tagged you they would have jumped in =. I know you were in a group because your strength was above 100. Im not going to hit you right next to that other spanish group so i can get ganked. I said most nats not all btw. Exactly that tells me the cb is not overpowered. I was barely able to keep up wth you in the turns to get those stern shots, I only got em because i had the wind and you were turning into the wind. OH and told you my cb was not fast. And that was a speed fitted min mc so you shouldnt feel that special yourself. WHat he have 1300 armor. I was sailing towards you in the mt zone BUt you kept going, I was not going to chase you across the bubble so I turned south. Then i see the disco come out of adhoc then you turn towards me. How heroic. It was just a cb dura I was just happy atleast you got sunk. I think I did fairly well since that min mc got sunk pretty fast and was just me against you two. Sunk you and almost the disco. I would have sunk him if my morale would have gone up faster and could pop tmtd I would have been all fixed up when it wore off and sunk him to. MAybe next time. Ond it was a 2v1 gank by you. It just happened to be a friend nearby who could get in. I would gladly 1v1 you but not going to with you sitting next to 5 other spanish.

[Reeking Cannonait]

See the difference? Us willing to engage with less firepower, less armor, less sails, less everything. I don't want to hear any more crap from you about how brave pirates are versus cowardly nats.

Oh and by the way you only have that much armor so you can turn tail and run if the battle starts to go bad. And your not willing to engage with less of all that thats why you both hit me. Sod didnt jump in until after the fact

[Percival Haddoch]

I was just wondering who ruthless binx is ingame?

[Reeking Cannonait]

I was just wondering who ruthless binx is ingame?

Ruthless binx

[dolf22]

YOU cant go nat and pretend to sail like you were still a pirate. YOu have to sail like a NO PRIV, OR FT
You say that our ships are the linefighters...THEN STOP COMPLAINING YOU CAN'T GET A 1V1! remeber the subject of your thread!

[scaper34]

ruthless im outside MT flagged, come fight me.

[dolf22]

There has to be a best ship in the game. The nats have there rates we have our frigates.
FINALLY THE TRUTH!
You admit it! Its the best ship in the game hands down for open sea pvp!
OP anyone.

No, there does not have to be a best...thats called balance.

[dolf22]

Its the best ship for the pirate besides the pherc. It is built for the pirate skills. For the NO the first rates are the best ship in the game for the class. THe privs best ship is herc mc. I think the sleek is better for the priv but thats me. So yes the cursed blade is one of our best ships. That ship had to be buffed. YOU know it sucked at the beginning was not worth the marks. You know as well as i do that when you were a pirate you loved the cursed now that your a nat you hate it. How ironic.
THe NO is a tanking class thats it. Dont like it change classes. The no is meant to linefight not dogfight. GET USE TO IT> YOU ALL KNEW THAT WHEN YOU ROLLED NO!!!!!!!!
Backpeddling anyone?
If you have the only class meant to dogfight then why do you complain about not being able to get a dogfight? Do you expect a NO to fight you in a Mercy knowing its meant for linefight. Do you expect a priv to dogfight you in an intrepid knowing his ship is inferior in every way?

[dolf22]

I was in a week trinidad. Yes he can the no can use skills to get his turn rate up 60%, if you have them or not aint my problem. And no i dont have the skill to increase my turn rate just a counterweight rudder tackle, and runner rigs. with those mods i can keep a cb in my arcs most of the fight.
Okay , Ive got to ask. Is there anyone, anywhere that thinks the NO Skills will allow him to maneuver as well as a CT? I mean really?

I know from all the debate we've had over this Ruthless, you are probably thinking that this dolf guy is out to get you. But truthfully I have no problem with you at all. I am certain though that I am on the right side in this debate, and for that reason have no intention of backing off my argument. But truthfully it is not anything against you. As a player I have no greater dislike for you than other Pirate.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

I thought you were part of that group. I know if i would have tagged you they would have jumped in =. I know you were in a group because your strength was above 100. Im not going to hit you right next to that other spanish group so i can get ganked.

I honor 1 v 1 challenges. I would have told the other spanish not to come in if you had accepted the challenge. If they came in anyway, I would have accepted a surrender, or surrendered to you, to solve the situation. I do not tolerate violations of 1 v 1 challenges and will not allow them to turn into ganks.

Exactly that tells me the cb is not overpowered.

Just because you got sunk doesn't mean the CB isn't OP. Again, OP does NOT mean indestructible. It just means more powerful than other ships of the same cost. And the CB clearly is that. Compare the stats of the 2 ships we were in, CB and Intrepid. Both are 50 MoV ships, but the CB is superior to the Intrepid in almost every way. I am a Privateer, and the Intrepid is about the best ship I can get (short of bundle ships), and I would gladly sail CB's instead of Intrepids if I could, for the simple reason that the CB is better than the Intrepid.

And that was a speed fitted min mc so you shouldnt feel that special yourself. WHat he have 1300 armor.

I wasn't going to mention that fight at all. You brought it up with your "at least I sunk your *** Charissa" comment. So I responded.


I was sailing towards you in the mt zone BUt you kept going, I was not going to chase you across the bubble so I turned south. Then i see the disco come out of adhoc then you turn towards me. How heroic.

The disco hit you, and I joined in, knowing that other pirates were in the area and fully expecting them to join.



It was just a cb dura I was just happy atleast you got sunk.

Sounds like you have some sort of personal vendetta against me, that you would happily trade losing an MC Minerva and a CB just to sink my Intrepid. What's up with that?

[Charissela d'Avonle]

Oh and by the way you only have that much armor so you can turn tail and run if the battle starts to go bad. And your not willing to engage with less of all that thats why you both hit me. Sod didnt jump in until after the fact

Except that we didn't run from the 2 v 2, when we could have, but stayed and fought to the death. And we fought while thinking that other pirates were likely going to come in also. I was surprised that no more did.

As for speed: it is useful for both avoiding ganks and for catching fast enemies who try to run instead of fight. That should be rather obvious.

The fact remains that your force was 2 level 50 ships, while we had a level 50 and a level 37. Both of ours were speed fit, while your CB was tanked up. We stayed and fought. You going to acknowledge that, or just continue talking about how Nats are afraid to fight?

[stokes234]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

[mud117]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

Owned!!!!!

[awitelintsta]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

I LOLed.

/10char

[That_guy_named_Luda]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

What is going on!? There are too many signature worthy things going on here :(

P.S. Stokes ownd you Binx....he owned you....

[Reeking Cannonait]

I honor 1 v 1 challenges. I would have told the other spanish not to come in if you had accepted the challenge. If they came in anyway, I would have accepted a surrender, or surrendered to you, to solve the situation. I do not tolerate violations of 1 v 1 challenges and will not allow them to turn into ganks.

Ok, well next time ill accept.


Just because you got sunk doesn't mean the CB isn't OP. Again, OP does NOT mean indestructible. It just means more powerful than other ships of the same cost. And the CB clearly is that. Compare the stats of the 2 ships we were in, CB and Intrepid. Both are 50 MoV ships, but the CB is superior to the Intrepid in almost every way. I am a Privateer, and the Intrepid is about the best ship I can get (short of bundle ships), and I would gladly sail CB's instead of Intrepids if I could, for the simple reason that the CB is better than the Intrepid.

Its not op. It has to be as strong as it is to withstand the more powerful nat skills. If it wasent this strong it wouldnt be worth sailing.

I wasn't going to mention that fight at all. You brought it up with your "at least I sunk your *** Charissa" comment. So I responded.



The disco hit you, and I joined in, knowing that other pirates were in the area and fully expecting them to join.

Well why not just wait outside to see if anybody did join?

Sounds like you have some sort of personal vendetta against me, that you would happily trade losing an MC Minerva and a CB just to sink my Intrepid. What's up with that?

No not really marks are marks. YOu sinking gave me enough for 2 more cursed blades. Oops I guess I didnt quote that one right either. My comments inside the quote.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Except that we didn't run from the 2 v 2, when we could have, but stayed and fought to the death. And we fought while thinking that other pirates were likely going to come in also. I was surprised that no more did.

As for speed: it is useful for both avoiding ganks and for catching fast enemies who try to run instead of fight. That should be rather obvious.

The fact remains that your force was 2 level 50 ships, while we had a level 50 and a level 37. Both of ours were speed fit, while your CB was tanked up. We stayed and fought. You going to acknowledge that, or just continue talking about how Nats are afraid to fight?

YOu didnt have anywhere to run. Sod had a position above you. YOu had to fight or be sunk. Most nats are afraid to fight. Thats why they sail disco and hermes a lot more then pirates do. Im not saying every nat I said most. Yea thats because of the pirates who yell at people for joining there battles. People now dont want to help anybody because they dont want to be screamed at for splitting a group or something.

[Reeking Cannonait]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

Well you are arguing with a fool online. So who is really the fool?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Owned!!!!!

Bring your ship out in the red and see who ownes who.

[Reeking Cannonait]

You guys are all wasting your time. Ruthless Binx does not have the intelligence to actually answer your points, he is just going to keep repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again until you put him on ignore. You can't win, because he is too stupid.

What is funny about this is everyone keeps repeating the same things to me.

[Reeking Cannonait]

What is going on!? There are too many signature worthy things going on here :(

P.S. Stokes ownd you Binx....he owned you....

I hardly consider comments made on a forum in any way shape or form ownage.

[Reeking Cannonait]

The fact remains that your force was 2 level 50 ships, while we had a level 50 and a level 37. Both of ours were speed fit, while your CB was tanked up. We stayed and fought. You going to acknowledge that, or just continue talking about how Nats are afraid to fight?

Well a level 37 ship should not be that tough. Im going to sound like all you and say its op.
Either the ship or the priv class is op.

[Kivek]

have you ever thought binx that it all seems this way to you coz your just not that good at PvP?

[Reeking Cannonait]

have you ever thought binx that it all seems this way to you coz your just not that good at PvP?

Lol i was trying to sound like a nat in that last post and call op since i got sunk by it. Its called sarcasm.

[thedumbcusin]

Well a level 37 ship should not be that tough. Im going to sound like all you and say its op.
Either the ship or the priv class is op.

Is it true that 2>1, ruthless?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Is it true that 2>1, ruthless?

What? Please rephrase your question.

[thedumbcusin]

What? Please rephrase your question.

2>1

True or false?

[Reeking Cannonait]

2>1

True or false?

I dont know what the question is. 2>1 for what?

[thedumbcusin]

I dont know what the question is. 2>1 for what?

I was planning on going somewhere with my last post, but this unexpected response is even better. Saves me a lot of time.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I was planning on going somewhere with my last post, but I think this is all the proof we need.

2>1 can mean anything. If your talking numerically then yes. If your talking about previous post then dont have a clue what your talking about.

[thedumbcusin]

Is the number two greater than the number one?

This should be extremely easy, it's not a trick question or anything.

[Pir a te]

2>1 can only mean one thing as the numeral 2 is greater than 1. It doesnt matter what its referring too, the number 2 is and always will be >1

[Reeking Cannonait]

solve
1=2/3+x

If you want to get into math then lets get into math. What does x = there dumb

[Reeking Cannonait]

Is the number two greater than the number one?

This should be extremely easy, it's not a trick question or anything.

well then i already answered your little math problem. could you answer mine?

[Reeking Cannonait]

here is question 2 out of my homework here.

(1/5)x = (-1/3)x - (-1/3)
what does x equal?

[Reeking Cannonait]

what is taking so long im already on question 5 on my math work here you guys still havent answered the first one.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Well here Im going to bed that will give you all all nght to figure out the answers. If you can.

[thedumbcusin]

well then i already answered your little math problem. could you answer mine?

Later. This is relevant, your question is not.

The number two is greater than one. Correct.

So, go down the list; true or false?

16.40>16.20
9.75>9.45
2800>2538
1792>1624
36>34
12>10

[Reeking Cannonait]

Later. This is relevant, your question is not.

The number two is greater than one. Correct.

So, go down the list; true or false?

16.40>16.20
9.75>9.45
2800>2538
1792>1624
36>34
12>10

Oh but it is relevent you guys are calling me dumb yet you cant answer some basic algebra. WHo is really dumb? Oh and its true all the way down the board. I entertained your questions now entertain mine. If you can. I dont think you can or else you would have answered them just to answer it. Sounds like you need to go either back to school or finish it.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I was not expecting a little math quiz in the potbs forums thats why I was a bit confused on what you wanted.

[thedumbcusin]

Oh but it is relevent you guys are calling me dumb yet you cant answer some basic algebra. WHo is really dumb? Oh and its true all the way down the board. I entertained your questions now entertain mine. If you can. I dont think you can or else you would have answered them just to answer it. Sounds like you need to go either back to school or finish it.

I never said I couldn't answer your questions, I'm just ignoring them for the time-being so I can finish my argument.

Yes, that is all true. On the left are stats from the Cursed Blade, on the right are stats on the Achilles. Both refits of the same ship.

How can a ship with a stat advantage that big be perfectly balanced? Give me any ship you think can compete and I'll do the same thing, so you can see for yourself.

[Reeking Cannonait]

answer my two math problems just entertain me for a bit here.

[thedumbcusin]

answer my two math problems just entertain me for a bit here.

After you finish with mine.

Answer my question. How can a ship with that big of a stat advantage over a lvl 50 refit of the same ship not be at all over-powered?

[Reeking Cannonait]

Oh and with the privs basic unpredictability skills he can increase a lot of those to equal or even greater then me. I call that a balance. If your stats were the same as the cb then with the unpredictabilty line would put your ship above me. So in battle the two ships are pretty close to being equal.

[Reeking Cannonait]

your armor resistance make sup for the armor difference. The privs sail defence makes up for the sail difference. On paper yes the cb is better, in battle they are pretty much equal. As long as the priv uses his unpredictability correctly.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Well gotta crash finish our arguments tomorrow. And answer my questions whikle your at it.

[P. Pete]

my homework


ah, it all makes sense now, we're actually dealing with a child.
makes perfect sense now.

[Reeking Cannonait]

ah, it all makes sense now, we're actually dealing with a child.
makes perfect sense now.

LOl child. Son, I have two kids and a wife. I work a full time job and going to college online.

[torokokilll]

college online.

snicker...

[Reeking Cannonait]

Lol whats that suppose to mean. That is called being smart. Im not going to pay more just to walk the hallways of a school when i can sit here drink a beer, get my degree, and play a game all at the same time.

[Pir a te]

ur doing that stuff at college, wow ur education system must be stuffed up, for my final year of highschool 80% of my maths course was calculus.

[thedumbcusin]

I took a college level calculus course when I was a senior in high school. They divided up the classes around middle school. People who did well in math went straight into algebra, those who needed help took a pre-algebra course.

Being the 2nd top student in my class (Which lasted all the way through high school, the same damn guy was always ahead of me) I went into the advanced classes.

[thedumbcusin]

1=2/3+x


x= 1/3

and

(1/5)x = (-1/3)x - (-1/3)


x=5/8




Happy?


Think you can handle some algebra II?

(See attached MS Paint drawing. And I know the handwriting sucks, it's hard to write with a mouse.) I hate these "math wars," but it's what you get for using 7th grade math to try and prove you're more intelligent.

[Pir a te]

yeah i got chucked into the advance classes as well, except for yr12 i took a step down and only did the calculus course and not the stupid superduper maths that no one ever needs course that all the chinese kids do.

[thedumbcusin]

Since I don't have a level 50 privateer I'm not going to continue the CB argument though, I'll wait for someone who actually plays one to prove he's wrong.

[SkttLes]

I'll wait for someone who actually plays one to prove he's wrong.
Every ship a privateer has access to is better in the hands of a cutthroat for 1v1s.

[thedumbcusin]

snicker...

I must say though, someone trying to further their education is nothing to snicker about.

[torokokilll]

I must say though, someone trying to further their education is nothing to snicker about.

Call me an elitist or crazy, but I look down upon anyone who goes to post secondary and isn't getting degree out of it. Might be due to the fact that in my future line of work anyone without a bare minimum Bachelor's degree won't even be looked at for Junior positions.

[thedumbcusin]

Call me an elitist or crazy, but I look down upon anyone who goes to post secondary and isn't getting degree out of it.

Some people just don't have that option open to them, and taking online courses is better than doing nothing at all.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

your armor resistance make sup for the armor difference. The privs sail defence makes up for the sail difference. On paper yes the cb is better, in battle they are pretty much equal. As long as the priv uses his unpredictability correctly.

Okay, so you just admitted that the CB is the better ship. We are making progress.

However, now your argument seems to be that CT's need to have a better ship because privateers are more powerful as a class than CT's.

I disagree with that, but whatever.

[Kivek]

Every ship a privateer has access to is better in the hands of a cutthroat for 1v1s.

i have to disagree, the only a priv xclusive ship a CT is better in imo is a MCH and that is purely based on reload alone. a priv IMO has the best xclusive ships matched to its class along with the NO. the CT and BUC only have the CB to match their skills and maybe you can include the red devil. apart from that they got things like the abbadons, bahumut and treason, all useless lvl 50 refits that would match the NO or FT skillset so much better

[Reeking Cannonait]

It really does not matter what a ship is on the sheet. After buffs and outfittings a ship that looks not so good turns out to be a excellent ship. Just because the cb is better on paper then all the other refits does not mean a thing. Its performance in battle with the privs buffs mke the ship equal. FLS knows that the nat skills are stronger then ours. BUt with that they use more morale. What I would like you to do Is include your unpredictability buffs along with the numbers. If you include those the ships will be pretty equal.

[stokes234]

Just because the cb is better on paper then all the other refits does not mean a thing.

I rest my case.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I dont need these college courses already make 100k a year without the school. Just doing it for ****s and giggles. These are called refresher courses when you skipped college after hs and go straight into the military you tend to forget the basics. Now that i am a crane operator I have the money to blow, so why not get a degree I will never use anyway.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I rest my case.

YOu still have no case in my eyes. YOU ar enot including what the stats are in a fight and thats where it matters.

[Reeking Cannonait]

x= 1/3

and



x=5/8




Happy?


Think you can handle some algebra II?

(See attached MS Paint drawing. And I know the handwriting sucks, it's hard to write with a mouse.) I hate these "math wars," but it's what you get for using 7th grade math to try and prove you're more intelligent.

LOL nope havent got that far yet. GIve me a little while and MAybe i can answer that for ya. I was not trying to prove more intelligent just trying to prove not completly stupid either.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Since I don't have a level 50 privateer I'm not going to continue the CB argument though, I'll wait for someone who actually plays one to prove he's wrong.

Oh dont worry I already have a privateer on BB.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Call me an elitist or crazy,

NO, thats just called stuckup.

[Reeking Cannonait]

However, now your argument seems to be that CT's need to have a better ship because privateers are more powerful as a class than CT's.



THey are look at the skills. THe privateers skills have a much more powerful affect. If the achilles had the same stats as the cb it would be a more powerful ship then a cutt in a cb. Fls looks at after the buffs and things and the bonuses in battle when they put these numbers in. Thats what you need to look at as well when saying a ship is more powerful then everything else. On paper yes the cb is the best but that dont matter, in battle pretty equal this is where it matters.

[stokes234]

YOu still have no case in my eyes. YOU ar enot including what the stats are in a fight and thats where it matters.

I have no case? Where's your case? You're just saying, over and over again, that privateers are more powerful than cutthroats. You havn't done anything to show this is the case, all you have is a point of view.

If you want an actual debate, try this - put up two equivalent builds for cutthroats and privateers, and try to prove that the privateer build is superior to the cutthroat build. Until then, this is a pointless arguement.

[gussie]

...What I would like you to do Is include your unpredictability buffs along with the numbers. If you include those the ships will be pretty equal.

Fine, but then I would like you to include sacrifice for victory and rum ration in your stats for CT boats, since they are essentially permabuffs.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I have no case? Where's your case? You're just saying, over and over again, that privateers are more powerful than cutthroats. You havn't done anything to show this is the case, all you have is a point of view.

If you want an actual debate, try this - put up two equivalent builds for cutthroats and privateers, and try to prove that the privateer build is superior to the cutthroat build. Until then, this is a pointless arguement.

BUt neither has to be superior they just have to be equal. I really wish we could get a fls developer in here.


Ok if a priv just use the menuver line that puts the turn rate on the achilles to 11.8 fast and 4.68 slow The cb 11.59 fast and 4.72 slow. the achilles is faster in a fast turn cb faster in a slow turn.

With privs offence and me on sacrifice for dmg. achilles dmg is 42.5 cb dmg is 36.3 the achilles attack from gundeck is 1445 mine is 1306.8 Only with a 2 sec reload difference between the ships.

priv on resist thats plus 18% resist alone the most i can get with skills is 11% only for 30 seconds though then it drops to 4%

priv on sail defence: plus 7.5 % on ship speed, defence plus 5 that give the achilles a 24 defence on all, I have 24 defence on all except sails my sails are at 28 same with the achilles. This skill also gives plus 5% to the privs turn rate. As well as plus 7 to grappling offence. And the biggest of it is a wopping 35% mast dmg resistance. I have no mast dmg resistance and are sail defence is the same. the achilles sail integrity is 3000 same with the cb. BUt privs have a plus 35% dmg resitance on there sails as well.

tHE cb has 168 more broadside armor then the achilles. YOur 18% resist just from that skill evens that out over the course of battle. The cb has a structure advantageof 262.


As you can see these ships are fairly equal just with skills no outfittings. I do rest my case. That is only with your one line of umpredicability you can also increase your turn rate plus 15% with menuver plus 5% with agile rigging, plus 1 percent with agile tacticion. So your turn rate can be higher then mine with these skills.

[torokokilll]

NO, thats just called stuckup.

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

stuck-up (stkp)
adj. Informal
Snobbish; conceited.


No, it's elitism.

[Reeking Cannonait]

Fine, but then I would like you to include sacrifice for victory and rum ration in your stats for CT boats, since they are essentially permabuffs.

There i edited my post with some more of my skills as well as more of yours. I am capable of dropping your turn rate 100% for 30 seconds. Well ts suppose to be 100% but for some reason you guys can still turn. YOu can actually stop my turn for 10 seconds giving you a 10 second advantage over me in a turn rate battle. Not only that the priv has the baility to increase target tracking. in a battle at speed you will hit with more dmg then i can ever do.


with all my turn rate skills and all of yours. My turn rate is plus 41.75% privs plus 45% the priv in aachilles can get his turn rate with skilsl to 13.7 fast 5.43 slow not including the % increase from just being a priv because i cant remember what the % is. i can get my cb with all skills to 13.8 fast 5.3 slow thats including the bonus from just being a cut. So your slow turn is faster then mine already So what you guys have to say about turn rates now? Someone let me know what the turn rate % is for just being a priv cant remember. So i can show everybody that a prive in a chilles can outturn a cut in cb. In fact a priv in a achilles is superior is many ways to the cut is a cb. Yet you dont hear me crying op. As I have just shown and proved the cb has higher stats on paper for a reason. Once you get these two ships in a battle they are pretty close to being equa.l yes, each ship has a advantage in a certain area over each other but they are pretty damn close.

[Reeking Cannonait]

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

stuck-up (stkp)
adj. Informal
Snobbish; conceited.


No, it's elitism.

Ah and conceited mean your full of yourself and anybody that thionks they need special treatment is full of himself.

[Johann]

I find this thread amusing.

I believe the tl;dr is: Binx thinks that CTs need overpowered ships in order to compete with nationals.

[Reeking Cannonait]

I find this thread amusing.

I believe the tl;dr is: Binx thinks that CTs need overpowered ships in order to compete with nationals.

YOur a fool I have just proved that the cb is not overpowered. YOu guys are just sailing underpowerd ship all the time. If you sailed your achilles you are definetly equal to my cb. If YOu fail fit yours thats not my problem.

[Maura Sènat]

I find this thread amusing.

I believe the tl;dr is: Binx thinks that CTs need overpowered ships in order to compete with nationals.

I think the math-bee was the best part. We should have more pop quizzes in the middle of threads.

[Johann]

I think the math-bee was the best part. We should have more pop quizzes in the middle of threads.

It was great. However Binx still hasn't noticed that the CB is plain a better ship than the achilles (or is refusing to notice). I also like how a privateer can have all the unpredictabilities on at the same time in BinxLand.