St. Johns Battle

[DagnyTaggart]

Ouch... all I can say.. ouch... it's a shame that so much fun has to have a price :-)

Not looking good for the home team, but here's hoping!

[jadedduck1]

Uhh...Where were the brit 4th rates?

[Tulor]

I heard that mortis is totally like the best pvp'ers. EVER!!! (http://mortis.teamego.com/about.php?s=aboutte)

[Brei]

I heard that mortis is totally like the best pvp'ers. EVER!!! (http://mortis.teamego.com/about.php?s=aboutte)

Yeah I think I read that on their bumper stickers the other night as they were sinking below us not once, but twice.

[Helenne]

Aww Dagny.. you didn't like being the meat in the Corte/ATF Manwich?

[ikarti]

I heard that mortis is totally like the best pvp'ers. EVER!!! (http://mortis.teamego.com/about.php?s=aboutte)

I too have heard this

[DagnyTaggart]

Aww Dagny.. you didn't like being the meat in the Corte/ATF Manwich?

Well... not sure how to answer that one!! I suck at PvP, I admit it.. I have a lot to learn. I got some shots in, but I was totally out of my league. I had fun, but I can;t say I like being the meat in a manwich, or womanwich, or whatever!

Congrats, you all fought better than we did. Someday I'll be less of a noob :-)

[DagnyTaggart]

Uhh...Where were the brit 4th rates?

I have a 4th rate, but I'm not 50 yet. Honestly, I think it's awesome whoever you had with the 4th rate in battle. I'm seriously afraid to use my Gallant and such since the absence of MoVs makes the cost of losing them so high. Hopefully that changes.

Kudos on a well fought battle... well not from me, but I got a few shots in.

[Otega]

That was alot of fun, and extremely interesting for my first PB. As it was the first time i've been involved, i tried to stay towards the middle/back of the line so i could have a good view of how things unfolded, and just focused on staying tight in the line. Was a great experience and i look forward to more.

Thanks Helenne for anwering my questions and giving me the bit of advice at the begining. Appreciate that a lot.

-Ot

[Stoff el Ito]

Who won already?! :)

And gratz to whoever did it, too bad i couldnt make it.

Guessing on Spain, but it aint fully clear since i dont have time to read the whole thread atm. :)

[DagnyTaggart]

Who won already?! :)

And gratz to whoever did it, too bad i couldnt make it.

Guessing on Spain, but it aint fully clear since i dont have time to read the whole thread atm. :)

Spain, sadly, hands down. But before any "sour grapes" posts...

*tips hat*

well done... next time... or the next :-)

[JoeDragon]

I suck at PvP, I admit it.. I have a lot to learn.


Dont worry, I'll let you use me for target practice.

[DagnyTaggart]

Dont worry, I'll let you use me for target practice.

But only in that little pink boat? lol

[JoeDragon]

But only in that little pink boat? lol


But of course, Or I could grab a Trusty Longboat and pull up beside your 4th rate once you hit 50 lol.

[Promotay]

Ouch... all I can say.. ouch... it's a shame that so much fun has to have a price :-)

Not looking good for the home team, but here's hoping!

admittedly a poor showing for the brits. no one even seemed interested in participating, really.

oh well, to the next one!

Next time, I won't enter the wrong port, too...

[Breckon]

If Spain won then the FTs of Britain finally have a reason of being. They will be able to build those large hull ships cheaper than the Privateers and NO.

[Valhakar]

admittedly a poor showing for the brits. no one even seemed interested in participating, really.

oh well, to the next one!

Next time, I won't enter the wrong port, too...


I would have to agree here. I have been fishing around for a society that is a good fit for me and have yet to find one. This is due in part to the lack luster commitment to the PvP aspect of the game most societies have.

On one hand you have military minded societies that also have a "LIL` Napoleon" complex. On the other hand you have societies based around winning through economics alone. I have yet to find a society that has a dedicated balance of both. Till then I am a society of one, which is pretty pointless.

Until the Brits can find a happy medium of military conflict and economics driven to support said conflict, we are just phoning it in.

-Howard

[Broom]

I can recommend playing French of Spanish.

:D

Linna

[Effreem]

I can recommend playing Spanish.

:D

Linna

Fixed...why would anyone wanna play a frenchie?

[Ruse]

Fixed...why would anyone wanna play a frenchie?

Wine, Danicia, Marion vanGhent, the Dutch, and because we kick some butt. :)

Want more reasons? I could come up with more if I had to.

[Arunne]

I know that more of my group might have shown if the fight wasn't in the middle of the night on Sunday. Its tough to put the effort out there when you have to get up to go to work the next morning.

The 48 hour thing really hosed us on this cause it might have been a differnt story if it was Saturday not Sunday.

[CShaughnessy]

I heard that mortis is totally like the best pvp'ers. EVER!!! (http://mortis.teamego.com/about.php?s=aboutte)

I'm totally missing the context necessary to understand this post. What did these guys DO to you to make you want to post that?

[Garbad_the_Weak]

In recent years, TeamEgo sprouted a subsidiary gaming team, the well-known elite RPG guild known as Mortis Consortium, which many experts and industry insiders consider to be not only the top role-playing guild in existence, but of all time.

Question: What are the primary goals of Mortis Consortium?
Answer: Mortis Consortium strives to be the best crafting and role-playing guild in every game we play.Basically, they are elitist, role-playing ubarcrafters who are the best guild since the beginning of time.

I think they were serious when they wrote that too. o______o

[ATF_Ic3man|]

wow, pretentious much? I seem to recall two similar societies in beta with the very same claims. One we never heard from again after pretty much everyone in all nations ganged up on them and the other...well they refused to play with those of us on rackham for the very same reason :p

Brigham

[Otega]

Basically, they are elitist, role-playing ubarcrafters who are the best guild since the beginning of time.

I think they were serious when they wrote that too. o______o

I read their website after you posted it initially. I'm still trying to figure out how Role playing guilds are ranked and by who....

I mean, how tough is it really, to pretend you are a (insert whatever class/race you are playing as in any game)?

[EgoDestroyer]

I read their website after you posted it initially. I'm still trying to figure out how Role playing guilds are ranked and by who....

I mean, how tough is it really, to pretend you are a (insert whatever class/race you are playing as in any game)?

For the love of Mortis, we don't ONLY roleplay. We craft too.

Praise Mortis.

Amen.

[Valna]

Thank Dissembler for the 66k of loot items we got from him :)

[Jean Arnaud]

Off-topic: I can think a several groups of gamers (guilds, societies, whatever depending on which game we're talking about) that are much, much more well known and successful across mmo's than Mortis. Altho, if what makes Mortis great is that they role-play and that's why they are great, then perhaps I would encourage them to get a life. Then you can role play dating real women. That said, those other guilds I mentioned probably could benefit from that advice as well.

Don't get me wrong, role-playing is fun and all, I just think it's silly to make a claim that you are the best at it.

On-topic: Yeah the timing sucked on the port battle. That said, we (French) and you (British) need to brain-storm as to how we are going to stop the Spanish Juggernaut. Eventually France's up-til-now superior port battle ability won't hold up to Spain's continual onslaught... Batting 1.000 is hard.

[CShaughnessy]

Don't get me wrong, role-playing is fun and all, I just think it's silly to make a claim that you are the best at it.


Well said. I never thought of it as a competitive endeavor.

[sinclair]

Was there a report?

The Brits need to level up a bit to be competitive.
Some of the level 30's were sailing Posti's. Not great when facing Defiants.

I am surprised I got an Invite, I had 5 conquest points and I'm level 24 Freetrader, so I was probably the lowest level British player in the battle.

Our fleet was totally outclassed by the Spanish Fleet.

Our communication was pretty good and battle orders were good at first anyway.

Our Admirals formed a line and drew the Spanish Fleet away from the Fortresses.

We lost 1 or 2 ships off the end of our line and managed to sink the ship at the head of the Spanish line.

However the line should have stuck close to the defense guns. In that we erred. Then we were ordered to turn in formation, which we followed, in a rather disastarous maneuver, exposing the line to too much fire, since you had level 45+ ships blasting level 20-30 ships, not much of a match up.

So I think we learned a lot from the battle.

I think our only viable strategy would be to just avoid the Spanish Fleet and run the timer out (cheesy). Since right now we are outgunned, outleveled, significantly.

However, however I think we have will have good tactics, and commanders eventually, and will be able to outsail the Spanish and give them a run for their money.

We already did that at Port of Spain. Spanish kept their port by running the timer out during the Swashbuckling phase. They won with cheesy tactics by hiding.

But we have a had some very bad luck. Belize had no Melee battle, after a server restart Spain had magically won the battle.

I suggest joining a society like the Black Widow Company, Stormhaven (my Society) or the 94th, if you want to be outfitted competitively (sorry if I left anyone out) and get assistance leveling.

It's a cooperative effort. Britain cannot compete if we don't organize. The Brit societies I've met are all very nice people, with capable players.

At this point I doubt if I would accept another invite until I reach the 40's. I'm also debating whether to level up my Naval Officer, and just use my FT for the economy.

[sinclair]

Jean.

That's a good idea. The British and French definitely need to talk.

We will hang together or hang separately!

I can help organize a deputation if you like.

Stormhaven and BWC have teamspeak available so that we can speak unimpeded.

[Stormbad]

Ahh, I wish I were there but obligations at work have priority. Also, could I hire one of you Spanish to level my lvl 35 NO to 50? I'll be annoy at your port battle and love you long time!

[Jean Arnaud]

I have a good friend in BWC, Sinclair. I'll open some lines of communication. No long term alliances or anything, mind you, you dirty Limy, but at least something to keep the Carribean free from the Spanish clutches until France and Britain are more mobilized. I'm not particularly the man for the job on this, since I'm only level 28 and not racing to 50, but I've made good contacts, so I can at least spread the word somewhat. Not sure it'll help, but I hate logging in each day to see Spain bombarding our ports.

[Caldes]

Eventually France's up-til-now superior port battle ability won't hold up to Spain's continual onslaught... Batting 1.000 is hard.

I would like to point out that France is not batting 1.000. They did lose in their attack on PdPlata against Spain. ^_^

[Benji]

timer ran out in pdp , i call it a draw :)

[Tulor]

timer ran out in pdp , i call it a draw :)

You mean when the few remaining french decided to try and run away so their ships wouldn't be sunk? When the timer ran out if was 14 Spanish vs 7 French. I hardly call that a draw. But, on the other hand it was a very fun and intense fight so I wouldn't call it an easy victory by any means.

[Jean Arnaud]

Ah Caldes, I actually only meant in port defense, since we haven't been very aggressive in atttacking your ports. So what I was saying is one of these days we will lose a port since it's hard to bat 1.000 and Spain is pouring it on thick, but you are right, we did lose an offensive port battle.

[Benji]

still a draw :)

[Garbad_the_Weak]

still a draw :)Sorry, it was a loss. There are no draws in port battles. Either a town is captured or it isn't. Call it a close, grueling defeat if you wish; blame it on a crappy game mechanic, and I won't disagree. But its still a loss.

[Benji]

Hmm still a draw

[Garbad_the_Weak]

I have a good friend in BWC, Sinclair. I'll open some lines of communication. No long term alliances or anything, mind you, you dirty Limy, but at least something to keep the Carribean free from the Spanish clutches until France and Britain are more mobilized. I'm not particularly the man for the job on this, since I'm only level 28 and not racing to 50, but I've made good contacts, so I can at least spread the word somewhat. Not sure it'll help, but I hate logging in each day to see Spain bombarding our ports.This makes me cry a tiny tear :.(

I am working hard to keep spain and france on at least neutral terms yet it appears some want to see if they can get the two smallest nations with interdependent economies and DNHs to get into a pointless and costly bloodbath. There are plenty of brits and rats waiting to die; why stab ourselves in the eye just to see who is the strongest underdog?

[Benji]

Because spain kicked our asse anyways when they finnaly had power in beta "we have to win" attitude . Go fight alone

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Because spain kicked our asse anyways when they finnaly had power in beta "we have to win" attitude . Go fight aloneSpain never attacked any of your economic core, even when we clearly had the ability to do so. There was a disagreement about if we could attack ports in the far side of the world, but France didn't care to defend them and that left us only one option to win -- take them first. The forum epeening was unfortunate, but routine and in the end gave way to the mutual respect that has always been the status quo between france and spain.

[Jean Arnaud]

Oh, well I don't think Spain is fighting dirty in the least, with the excpetion of Port-a-Paix last week, which was not representative of even close to a majority of the nation. If I were in your shoes I would be strategically targeting ports the way you are now. I mean, it all makes sense, even if France is loathe to part with it's Zinc source ;) . That said, you outgun us, and if Britain and we find some common cause for the time being (i.e. not getting steamrolled) then it seems like we should be able to find at least some way to stave off the current onslaught. I mean I have no idea how we can help each other (ok that's a blatant lie, but I'm not selling my ideas here), because Spain appears significantly stronger, but opening up some communication can't hurt. I love playing as France btw.

[Benji]

Might be , but asking for us to just stand back and not fight in port battles = [------] epeen so long .

Even you having fun sinking nooby french and other french around pap .

But its all behind us , this is a real fresh game now . We chose brittain allies because spain is the meany .


I'am sure that if french allies with spain to crush Brittain . Spain will crush French after it .

[katalepsis]

~listens quietly~

[katalepsis]

This makes me cry a tiny tear :.(

I am working hard to keep spain and france on at least neutral terms yet it appears some want to see if they can get the two smallest nations with interdependent economies and DNHs to get into a pointless and costly bloodbath. There are plenty of brits and rats waiting to die; why stab ourselves in the eye just to see who is the strongest underdog?

are you fekkin serious? someone calling the spanish 1 of the 2 smallest anythings is not only overtly wrong but it's insulting. for the record this is charles pierce, rackham brit, so you know who is directly calling you out on this horrific statement.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

are you fekkin serious? someone calling the spanish 1 of the 2 smallest anythings is not only overtly wrong but it's insulting. for the record this is charles pierce, rackham brit, so you know who is directly calling you out on this horrific statement./whocount or else your ***** are fake
Because I have proofs.

[katalepsis]

Oh, well I don't think Spain is fighting dirty in the least, with the excpetion of Port-a-Paix last week, which was not representative of even close to a majority of the nation. If I were in your shoes I would be strategically targeting ports the way you are now. I mean, it all makes sense, even if France is loathe to part with it's Zinc source ;) . That said, you outgun us, and if Britain and we find some common cause for the time being (i.e. not getting steamrolled) then it seems like we should be able to find at least some way to stave off the current onslaught. I mean I have no idea how we can help each other (ok that's a blatant lie, but I'm not selling my ideas here), because Spain appears significantly stronger, but opening up some communication can't hurt. I love playing as France btw.

Best post I've read in my 245 seconds on the official Forums.

[katalepsis]

/whocares or else your asteriks are sexy
Because I have spoofs.

*fixed*

It's not always numbers from your arbitary /whocount that goes into quantifying something, and frankly after pre-board and until Live Launch the Brit numbers were way down which we all know. Since then it's been the global n00bs that have artificially bloated our numbers but the quality dilution they brought with it is painfully evident. Teaching has become a full time job, part time night job, and erstwhile hobby. Do you live here? Ugh, Charles Barkley would call these Forum colors are turrible.

[Benji]

lol...

ow still a draw at pdp

[Slane420]

timer ran out in pdp , i call it a draw :)

still a draw :)

Sorry, it was a loss. There are no draws in port battles. Either a town is captured or it isn't. Call it a close, grueling defeat if you wish; blame it on a crappy game mechanic, and I won't disagree. But its still a loss.

Hmm still a draw

Lol this was a epic conversation.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

*fixed*

It's not always numbers from your arbitary /whocount that goes into quantifying something, and frankly after pre-board and until Live Launch the Brit numbers were way down which we all know. Since then it's been the global n00bs that have artificially bloated our numbers but the quality dilute they brought with it is painfully evident. Teaching has become a full time job, part time night job, and erstwhile hobby. Do you live here? Ugh, Charles Barkley would call these Forum colors are turrible.o excuses? numbers lying? get this trash out of here

P.S. The First Battle of CDM Baby. I was there. Where were you, Benji?

[Benji]

@ home probably , or on a roof working .

[katalepsis]

i'm deleting it now because you asked me nicely to and because you matter....there, done. ok on a serious note, having realized my devastating use of "fekkin" must have tweaked your defenses, i will take that back, because frankly my rhetorical skills are usually much better and far more conducive to productive talks. ironically however i have a syntax error in my last post between "numbers" and "goes" so i'm banning myself from posting until the next time i decide to post. well met everyone, can't wait to do the logical thing and "partner" w/the french until it's no longer mutually beneficial for both sides. maybe they can teach us a trick or two since they've crushed multiple attacks on their ports (i hope i don't eat those words after tonight's battle for fort-de-france because as a rackham brit, i've already eaten more humble pie since launch than i have in my whole life...including the 49 second delay i ordered entering PoS's land battle to wait for stragglers, costing us the port that should be ours as we speak, this after i personally commanded our utter victory over you-know-who in the sea battle portion, only to lose in the end by ~9secs to the timer as the Commander had 81 hit points left ~sighs~)

[Slane420]

including the 49 second delay i ordered entering PoS's land battle to wait for stragglers, costing us the port that should be ours as we speak, this after i personally commanded our utter victory over you-know-who in the sea battle portion, only to lose in the end by ~9secs to the timer as the Commander had 81 hit points left ~sighs~)

Haha I remember that, you guys shot me all at once I went down rather quickly.

[bstmydd]

If France had any allies, then those said allies would have sent me cake. I have no cake, therefore I have no allies. This game is oftly simple.

Rhadam Asunawa

[Garbad_the_Weak]

i'm deleting it now because you asked me nicely to and because you matter....there, done. ok on a serious note, having realized my devastating use of "fekkin" must have tweaked your defenses, i will take that back, because frankly my rhetorical skills are usually much better and far more conducive to productive talks. ironically however i have a syntax error in my last post between "numbers" and "goes" so i'm banning myself from posting until the next time i decide to post. well met everyone, can't wait to do the logical thing and "partner" w/the french until it's no longer mutually beneficial for both sides. maybe they can teach us a trick or two since they've crushed multiple attacks on their ports (i hope i don't eat those words after tonight's battle for fort-de-france because as a rackham brit, i've already eaten more humble pie since launch than i have in my whole life...including the 49 second delay i ordered entering PoS's land battle to wait for stragglers, costing us the port that should be ours as we speak, this after i personally commanded our utter victory over you-know-who in the sea battle portion, only to lose in the end by ~9secs to the timer as the Commander had 81 hit points left ~sighs~)tldr ; no moar runon rhetoric

[katalepsis]

~ah a bullet point

~white space kinda

~guy,

~sounds like the managers

~@ ibm :)

~can't read more than a

~few

~words at a

~time, too....

~hard....hurts

~brain

~jk shipmate, well met to you and everyone, i just hope whoever ruined marks of victory for all of us is the true global enemy around here. see you out there.

[Jean Arnaud]

Ah, Garbad. I know what the /whocount says, but numbers don't bely power. By your logic the Polish should have beaten Hitler when he invaded Poland (some of you should be thinking Godwin's Law right now, but hey, I went there, and it was a great analogy). But no, size matters not. Spain's thriving economy, strategic targeting, and apparently quality commanders appear to be the serious threat to France, and I'm hoping we can do something about it before I see dirty Spaniards sipping pina coladas in Florida.

edit: oh thanks for the compliment on my forum post on the last page, Kat.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

But no, size matters not.That's not what she said. :misha:

Size always matters. Noobs won't be terrible forever (generally speaking). The gap between the top and the bottom slows. And spain has the worst economy in the game, imo. Spain isn't the powerhouse you imagine -- the only asset we have is a small collection of 15-20 people who are proven vets that are committed to winning. If you think about it, that's not much.

[Wisnoe]

That's not what she said. :misha:

Size always matters. Noobs won't be terrible forever (generally speaking). The gap between the top and the bottom slows. And spain has the worst economy in the game, imo. Spain isn't the powerhouse you imagine -- the only asset we have is a small collection of 15-20 people who are proven vets that are committed to winning. If you think about it, that's not much.

Are you telling yourself this, so that if you have a victory, you're e-peen is even bigger than before? Because victories are sweeter when you're the underdog and less impressive from powerhouses.

So France > Spain, at least we French don't have to cope with the awesome expectations that people have from Spain and the beta powerhouses.

[Jean Arnaud]

Garbad's pulling the old " 'These are not the droids you are looking for' *waive hand* " trick ;) .

[Garbad_the_Weak]

=)

Take me at my word -- I sincerely want to avoid total war with France, both for Frances' sake, my personal business interests, and the interests of Spain. France has no stronger advocate in Spain than me, and I have steadfastly been there since beta. I just suspect its not going to matter and very soon CDM will burn to the ruin of us all. =/

[jonte]

Ah, Garbad. I know what the /whocount says, but numbers don't bely power. By your logic the Polish should have beaten Hitler when he invaded Poland (some of you should be thinking Godwin's Law right now, but hey, I went there, and it was a great analogy). But no, size matters not. Spain's thriving economy, strategic targeting, and apparently quality commanders appear to be the serious threat to France, and I'm hoping we can do something about it before I see dirty Spaniards sipping pina coladas in Florida.

edit: oh thanks for the compliment on my forum post on the last page, Kat.

Actually the Germans hugely outnumbered the Polish during Fall Weiss. They fielded some 60 divisions against the Polish's 40 or so. They had a huge air as well as heavy guns advantage. Not to mention their 2400 panzers...

Try something like 1 million soldiers on the Polish side against almost 2.5 on the German.

[Jean Arnaud]

Well I'll be damned Jonte, you're right; I wikied it to be sure. I swear I remembered my old US history class differently. I just remember the teacher noting that "the largest standing army in the world was overrun in less than a month, blah blah" and how the Polish had 1mil soldiers (which they did). Huh, well, um... guess my anaology didn't work then. But Godwin's Law still reigns supreme, even if I used my reference improperly.

Oh and Garbad, I believe you. Just saying that from the looks of recent Port battles, Spain is the top dog. Hope we win our battle in 2 hours ;) .

[Romeo13]

Fixed...why would anyone wanna play a frenchie?

Cause the Dam Yankees are French!

[Caldes]

Well I'll be damned Jonte, you're right; I wikied it to be sure. I swear I remembered my old US history class differently. I just remember the teacher noting that "the largest standing army in the world was overrun in less than a month, blah blah" and how the Polish had 1mil soldiers (which they did). Huh, well, um... guess my anaology didn't work then. But Godwin's Law still reigns supreme, even if I used my reference improperly.

Oh and Garbad, I believe you. Just saying that from the looks of recent Port battles, Spain is the top dog. Hope we win our battle in 2 hours ;) .


Well, the largest standing army was overrun in 1 month (or so) during WW2. It just wasn't Polish. Take a wild guess whose it was. =P

[stale2002]

Cause the Dam Yankees are French!

Quoted for the best post of the thread.

[Jean Arnaud]

Well, the largest standing army was overrun in 1 month (or so) during WW2. It just wasn't Polish. Take a wild guess whose it was. =P


Muthah Russia!?!?

You know, I think what I remember him (US hist teacher) saying was that prior to mobilization, Poland had the largest standing army. Meaning when all was at peace. Yeah, I'm sticking with that. Sorry for derailing the thread btw.

[bstmydd]

Quoted for the best post of the thread.

Quoted the Quote for even more emphasis!!


Rhadam Asunawa

[Caldes]

Muthah Russia!?!?

You know, I think what I remember him (US hist teacher) saying was that prior to mobilization, Poland had the largest standing army. Meaning when all was at peace. Yeah, I'm sticking with that. Sorry for derailing the thread btw.

Nope. At the start of WW2, France had the largest standing land army, IIRC.

[Jean Arnaud]

I'm just all kinds of historical wrong this week then.