Issues with pvp flag.

[jtw1n]

From what i've experienced so far with the flag during the first few days of pre-boarding worries me. The flag doesn't allow mutual open sea pvp it opens the flagged player to be massed or attacked by groups of random unflagged players at any time. The flag should not work this way. I understand in pvp circles anyone is able to attack at any time. However the flag should only enable mutually flagged players of opposite factions to battle. Right now most groups i've seen have 1 or no flagged players and simply sail around looking for enemies with a flag on. This makes the flag more of a waste of time and useless risk then it necessarily should be. Also group members should all have to be flagged to aid an ally with a flag.

Right now it runs like the broken overt system in Starwars galaxies. Where groups of otherwise unattackable enemies will jump you only when it is to their advantage and remain perfectly safe otherwise. Make it so both sides have to mutually agree before leaving port if they want to pick a fight or not. Don't leave those who are trying to encourage pvp on the open sea at a disadvantage.

[ironxmortlock]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

However remember that after the 22nd, there will be PvP zones around ports. These are much more interesting and it is here that the gloves come off.

[PandaRuns]

Sail in numbers then? I can't say I think it's "broken". I understand what you are saying but it seems you simply just trying to 1v1 people which from what I've noticed rarely happens. If people could go into a battle and know they're going to win then I don't blame them for taking advantage. I know I would lol and I don't care what anyone says...getting ganked is a part of wearing that flag...especially solo.

[jtw1n]

Im not looking or talking about 1v1 pvp I am simply looking for an open pvp system where those who wish to flag can attack one another freely. The flag as is currently leaves those who use it open to not just consensual pvp with others who are flagged but it allows a blue person to sail around unharmed and never at risk but the second someone with a flag on is alone or appears in a weak position they get jumped by several blues. These blues ie. non-pvp flagged individuals benefit from increased pvp thanks to those who have the flag on however they join it unfairly and take no risks outside the often uneven combat which they create. If someone whats to pvp or be able to attack those who are flagged they should have to openly declare themselves as a threat from the start. They also always have the power of surprise. I have generally sailed around with 3-6 person groups looking to stir up trouble and 9/10 times we find a fight its one of our members who gets a bit of distance from one another and some blues jump on the solo player. Most of the time we join inside the minute and have destroyed the attackers. Our battles between other organized groups also tend to begin against blue groups. These groups would otherwise never be able to pvp but take advantage of the one way flagging.

[Irq123]

I completely agree jtw1n.

I will most likely not be pvp flagged very often because I'll just end up being ganked by other people who sees an easy target.

If other people had to have there pvp flag on to attack me though, it would be something else since PvE'ers, traders and the like wouldn't be able to gank me.

I don't mind getting killed by real PvP'ers, but getting killed by people who are too afraid to turn on their flag really sucks.

[Wilfan]

Originally Posted by ironxmortlock However remember that after the 22nd, there will be PvP zones around ports. These are much more interesting and it is here that the gloves come off.

Yes, you'll have one privateer with Sanctioned Piracy cruising the red circle and 5 of his friends waiting 20 miles out.

[Jagdfalke]

you can not win in solo pvp

pvp-flag or pvp-zone, if you try solo pvp you get a 1 vs 6 fight.

[PekkaR]

Originally Posted by Jagdfalke you can not win in solo pvp pvp-flag or pvp-zone, if you try solo pvp you get a 1 vs 6 fight.

From what I've seen, several closed beta players have reputations for soloing often. You just plan it so you're able to avoid or escape anything you don't want to fight, and pick your battles. Stealth and/or speed, generally.

[beltpouch]

Originally Posted by Jagdfalke you can not win in solo pvp

I would have to disagree with you on this point :-)

Solo PvP can be both fun and rewarding. There are several players who have spent a lot of time solo PvPing during closed beta and enjoyed it tremendously. You just have to figure out the best strategies. You aren't going to solo successfully in the biggest most gun ridden ship out there.

[McClellan]

I had my first couple of PvP engagement yesterday, and it was a dual experience.

On one hand I did experience the sort of thing OP says, though I managed to get away - but yes, I agree, if you want to participate in open sea PvP you have to put your ship on the line always, not just when fortune favors you.

On the other hand, I have managed to track down a solo ship... then again, some of our guys joined in so it ended a 3vs1 battle in our favor.

Fact is, it is impossible to plan your fights with random invulnerable ships cruising around which can jump into the fray at any time and ruin your day.

PvP flags exist for a reason. It is to enable people to be able to engage other PvP players anywhere, anytime. Making free targets of opportunity for otherwise untouchable players out of themselves is NOT, or *should* not be a part of flag mechanics.