Pirates 6V6's why?

[Mitchell]

The other night I watched while no less than 17 people got sunk by the OMG slaughter.

With the underdog tools these losses are handing them a Line ship bundle every day! They earned over 250 Marks that night because of the the underdog tools! This is not good for Pirate nation. They are probably taking the marks and selling to us on our AH's and the rich get richer.

Now I hear that we don't even use the best shot available to PVP?

The ships are free but you marks should not be handed out like candy to the enemy. You are only making them stronger and stronger. Maybe we would do better if we actually had to pay for our ships and would treat them better than throw aways.

Last night I saw another 6x Pirate group that was once again completely wiped. Apparently withdrawing when getting slaughtered is not an option.

Learn to split these groups up. If you are hell bent on winning in 6v6 either re roll or wait for our new careers and we might do better.

The enemy has already told you what works. I don't understand the need to continue this tactic when it is not and has not been working.

Many are quite reluctant to embrace the fast ship wolf pack mentality but our win loss ratio is about 10 to 15 wins with 1 loss. Recent captures include Mercy's, Lancers, Discovery's, Herc Heavy's, Herc Sleek, and a Triton.

OMG is laughing all the way to the Mark Bank each and every night. Quit giving the enemy what they want! You are hurting your nation!

[MooreMoney]

yup you guys better get it together we're building another first rate with just MoV's

[Strieson]

Psh. Look, the pirates are trying to get better at 6v6. This is needed practice. And OMG will have another 1st rate eventually, anyways. The reason we aren't winning in 6v6 is because OMG knows how to concentrate fire, cover, and move like pros. Far to many pirates don't. We're gonna keep losing until we get better, but it's practice we need.

[Slamz]

What Strieson said.


Also, I don't really think of it as OMG building a 1st rate for the French.

I think of it as OMG building a 1st rate for me. I will permit them to borrow it until we catch it on the OS, in which case I will relieve them of command.

[Dharus Tyranus]

1 LSB from production = ~315,000 dbls
1 LSB for turn ins= 300 MoVs
1 Mov = 1050 dlbs based on cost to produce

6v6 with OMG
2 Hercs w/ outfittings dead = ~40,000 dbls
5 level 50 pirates dead = 25 MoVs

25 MoVs from pirates 26,260 dlbs < 40,000 dbls cost of getting those MoVs.

The price for having OMG leave the circle and giving newbies a place to get stuff = priceless

Mitch, I'm starting to get a feeling you are an anti-pirate nation player.

Edit: Also, I'd like to steal a 1st rate too.

[Undrsiege]

Originally Posted by Waverider10 1 LSB from production = ~315,000 dbls 1 LSB for turn ins= 300 MoVs 1 Mov = 1050 dlbs based on cost to produce 6v6 with OMG 2 Hercs w/ outfittings dead = ~40,000 dbls 5 level 50 pirates dead = 25 MoVs 25 MoVs from pirates 26,260 dlbs < 40,000 dbls cost of getting those MoVs. The price for having OMG leave the circle and giving newbies a place to get stuff = priceless Mitch, I'm starting to get a feeling you are an anti-pirate nation player. Edit: Also, I'd like to steal a 1st rate too.

rofl you havent a clue...You fail to realize that not only do you get MOV you get MOT. And we do not get 5 it is per 8 per FIFO. So lets break this down.

5 Dead lvl 50 Pirates = 40 MOV and 40 MOT.

Now I fixed that for you. btw I wasn't there but I heard it was 6 dead. So if I need to adjust this I can while I have time.


Camping Mathew Town for 6 Days threw past few flips : 4,232,000db give or take a little.

No need to argue or say it is not so that is the "FACT". We have ships you have not even seen yet.

[Taralin Snowden]

Originally Posted by Slamz I think of it as OMG building a 1st rate for me. I will permit them to borrow it until we catch it on the OS, in which case I will relieve them of command.

we call that "breaking it in". you always have to be careful the way you drive for the first few thousand miles, and it's nice to have somebody else take care of that for us.

a proper pirate ship should no longer have the smell of oil and polish. all you should be able to smell is rum and burnt powder.

-ken

[Shady McGrady]

Originally Posted by Taralin Snowden we call that "breaking it in". you always have to be careful the way you drive for the first few thousand miles, and it's nice to have somebody else take care of that for us. a proper pirate ship should no longer have the smell of oil and polish. all you should be able to smell is rum and burnt powder. -ken

Yarrrrrrr!

[Bach]

Mitch,

You realize your basically telling them NOT to play the game. Its not they're fault that pirate ships give up the same number of MOV's that national ships do. Its not they're fault that buff stacking favors Nationals right now. Its not they're fault that MT is a major hub you can count on pirates to be inside of....hmm wait a minute...that is the fault of the merchant pirates I guess. Its not they're fault that MT is the only red zone to play in with ships in it...hmm...nope nope...that is our fault too. We haven't been creating any OTHER red zones.

You can ask them to do alot of things based around adjusting they're play styles. But they joined to play pirates which means they joined to fight and NOT to fight is the one thing you can't ask them to do.

Now before you say "But why can't they just sail the herrmes speed boat tactics that get 10-15 to 1 kill ratios?" Because it can be a simple forgiving brain dead tactic that just isn't much of a challenge to PVP players that love the challenge. (This does not inclde those that solo hvy frigs in packet boats, but the wolf packs of them are easy tactics with no risks)
They didn't all join the pirates to sail nothing but little speed boats. Apparently for that you join the Brits (hehe j/k). Your basially back to asking us not to play again. Certain players DO NOT like the easy road and wont ever.

If you want this to stop or go away. Simply start creating more red zones for the pirates to be in. They aren't going to stop fighting so you may as well disperse them about for better odds. Create more red zones.

Strategically the MOV's mean very little to pirates. If OMG are sailing around in 1st rates vs. 4ths rates its essentially all the same to us. The ones who will pay for it are the other nationals and if we wanted to even the score we could simply give Brit and Spain each a 1000's MOV's in they're turn every hour if we wanted too.

[Sundown]

Originally Posted by Mitchell The other night I watched while no less than 17 people got sunk by the OMG slaughter. With the underdog tools these losses are handing them a Line ship bundle every day! They earned over 250 Marks that night because of the the underdog tools! This is not good for Pirate nation. They are probably taking the marks and selling to us on our AH's and the rich get richer. Now I hear that we don't even use the best shot available to PVP? The ships are free but you marks should not be handed out like candy to the enemy. You are only making them stronger and stronger. Maybe we would do better if we actually had to pay for our ships and would treat them better than throw aways. Last night I saw another 6x Pirate group that was once again completely wiped. Apparently withdrawing when getting slaughtered is not an option. Learn to split these groups up. If you are hell bent on winning in 6v6 either re roll or wait for our new careers and we might do better. The enemy has already told you what works. I don't understand the need to continue this tactic when it is not and has not been working. Many are quite reluctant to embrace the fast ship wolf pack mentality but our win loss ratio is about 10 to 15 wins with 1 loss. Recent captures include Mercy's, Lancers, Discovery's, Herc Heavy's, Herc Sleek, and a Triton. OMG is laughing all the way to the Mark Bank each and every night. Quit giving the enemy what they want! You are hurting your nation!

We have beat them, but you refuse to even listen to those of us that can. Keep preaching your failed tatics. I can agree with you, that a group of 6 hvy pirates and another group of gankers is a nice mix. But i refuse to cruise around in your baby bumper boats believeing its gonna make any type of difference. These groups are getting droped mostly for tatical reasons alone. I was there i watched i know what happened.

http://thepurge.net/public/omg6v6.wmv
http://thepurge.net/public/omg6v62.wmv
Omg are a tuff bunch no doubt but if you plan and know what your doing you can win! And be rdy to lose some you cant win everytime.

If these videos dont work we have about 20 more showing PB's succes against full 24 person fleets and plenty of 6 v 6 with all kinds of ships. If you want to really learn do a search on the forums by posts by Slamz. After youve read and watched everything. Go look at all Mitchells posts and videos :P. Then see who you would prefer to follow into battle.