The Age of Piracy - Cartoon Version

[Gammelsen]

I am saddened by the lack of sincerity in this game; you expect me to pay money for a game that does not even take itself serious - it seems to me that the developers are scared and suppressed, not even daring to portray the time-period of the game in such a historical manner which is acceptable for public material.

I must confess, although I do not in general have anything against my opposite *** (on the contrary, mostly I would say), I am not fond of the way they are being put into roles as officers, marines etc... I feel the same way about the portrayal of "Coloured" human beings as prominent men/women in the 18th century, against all historical/correct knowledge.

I am aware that this is a game meant for entertainment and that the developers do want to earn money, or at least earn enough to keep the project going. - But why does this constrain you (FLS) from giving your customers a historically enlightening game that does not suffer from the judgements of modern society.

Is it not more harmful to deny the wrong-doings of our history than enlightening people of the actual situation, making them realise the extent of the problem? - I am not a fan of the slavery, imperialism, female oppression or any other oppressing themes of the 17-19th century - on the contrary - but I will never deny that these things are part of our common history and keys to understand the present day.


Sincerely,
Gammelsen

[brendonoid]

Originally Posted by Gammelsen Is it not more harmful to deny the wrong-doings of our history than enlightening people of the actual situation, making them realise the extent of the problem? - I am not a fan of the slavery, imperialism, female oppression or any other oppressing themes of the 17-19th century - on the contrary - but I will never deny that these things are part of our common history and keys to understand the present day.

Which is fine when discussing academic literature or art.

Keep it out of my silly little sailing boat game though please. This game is not a historical simulation. If that is what you are after, you have come to the wrong game.

[Gammelsen]

Originally Posted by brendonoid This game is not a historical simulation.

In some ways it is - and in some ways it could be even more so.
I would, as you've probably noticed, enjoy the game more if it was more realistic/historical. I am actually only discussing minor issues in the game which annoys me (and probably others as well); many other aspect could probably be found.

[zaknesbitt]

I've been hoping and trying to get this game a little more historically accurate for almost 2 years now mate - and I'm still totally into it!

FLS just seems to want to make a fun kiddy game when they don't realize that adding historical accuracy would make it even funner!

[Bartholomew Bones]

So it is your point that you would enjoy this game more if there were less women and "colored" people?

Sheesh!

[Gammelsen]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Bones So it is your point that you would enjoy this game more if there were less women and "colored" people? Sheesh!

I am curious, how did you conclude that? - My point was that they were put into inaccurate roles, not saying that women or African people should be removed; that would also be inaccurate.

Please don't jump to conclusions - if you do, you should at least be able to make ONE argument and contribute a little.

[The Black Marquis]

Originally Posted by Gammelsen I must confess, although I do not in general have anything against my opposite *** (on the contrary, mostly I would say), I am not fond of the way they are being put into roles as officers, marines etc... I feel the same way about the portrayal of "Coloured" human beings as prominent men/women in the 18th century, against all historical/correct knowledge.

I think most people probably enjoy the fact that they can have fun in a game set in the Golden Age of Piracy without being restricted or offended by the sexism and racism that was endemic to that era.

As to your second comment in the above quote, I think perhaps you may be misinformed historically. While it is true that people of African descent experienced significant quantities of discrimination during this time period, I think you will find that there were a few people of African descent that rose to prominence during this time.

One person in particular that springs to mind is Joseph Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-George. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges

The wikipedia article does not do him justice, but he was certainly a prominent and fascinating individual, or Caribbean origins no less. You may also be interested in reading about Olaudah Equiano, Ignatius Sancho and Ukawsaw Gronniosaw as well.

If you're looking for pirates, Black Caesar should tickle your fancy. He was a lieutenant to Blackbeard on Queen Anne's revenge no less: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Caesar_(pirate)

Heck, here's an article entitled "Black Pirates," which may help paint a clearer picture:
http://www.cindyvallar.com/blackpirates.html Scroll to the bottom where it lists a handful of examples of individuals of note.

Ken Kinkor's article "Black Men under the Black Flag" can also be (mostly) read if you do a search for it on google books. If anything an argument could be made that there's an underrepresentation, particularly given what we know about the social and ethnic make up of the Caribbean at the time.

I could go on, but I hope at the very least that the above has been somewhat educational.

[KaK]

I would like a PotBS more historical. I Think that the timeline of the game is totally lost, sometimes remember 17th centrury and sometimes remember 19th centrury. Other thing that i don't like is the pirates owning ports, because it's unhistorical and mechanically broken to the game.