This first round on Roberts...

[danwalton]

Originally Posted by Nicolas de Coursic Q q q

This post made my day.

[Horatio Hawke]

Well when you get some say in your faction come back to the table with something of more substance than the tired and well worn, "Save the Whales" rhetoric of greenpeace. Here is a novel what if. What If the Spanish were to make a move on France? What would really happen? How would the dynamics of Roberts change?

At the moment the Spanish and French have been using the "We must attack the British in order to survive"... I can understand how at the start of the world this was true. Now however we are seeing thanks to Hovis and his refurbished soapbox that the Spanish are simply doing you French a favor. If the French were as concerned about their survival as they claim to be and the Spanish truly sympathetic to the needs of the entire server we could get a few Society leaders to sit down and hammer out a true agreement that would stablize Roberts for the short term and allow us to equally build up our factions and still open up PvP zones until we get a better population balance around the time zones and more patches.

Of course this is just a pipe dream and I need to just say no to drugs.

[Nicolas de Coursic]

Originally Posted by 1llusion I think atm people on all sides just want to win the first round on a balanced server, im sure there will be alot less morning battles after the reset, I can safely say that I really dont think a ceasefire will ever happen this round.

Server is not balanced, it's just better balanced than others. And French/Swedish/Russian playing French nation is the reason why.

And winning here is pointless and will have no value. Worse ! Using lame tactics against those who give this server an interest will just kill the last server standing.

Killing fun just for a pointless victory. How smart it is !

[James Blythe]

You know, I to have to agree with Lord Hawke initial statement. I could not care less about the Spanish, French and Pirate nation. I know that this is most likely not healthy for the game overall, but screw that.

And that is basically the same attitude the French and Spanish have shown towards the British from Day one. I am not sure whether it was Hovis or Calmdown, who basically said "We are stomping on the British hard and every player leaving the game due to it should not have picked up the game anyways". Or how often have we heard the ***** statement "In war everything is allowed for easy points". So stop playing the holy prophet telling us to stop certain things for the good of the game. You have given up the ****** right to do so a long time ago. So yes, as long as the Brits are being ***** off anything is fine, hey, we have to take care of the French, screw the biggest fraction, the are supposed to stay in the corner, be quiet and be a nice little puppy the others can stamp on.

And yes, I am furious right now by this hipocrisy, screw my Swiss neutrality.

[Larhten]

Originally Posted by Hovis Tell you what, why don't you beg me to stop flipping multiple ports at once. Seriously, I can limit Renegade Legion to one port a night and have a word to the other Spanish society leaders to do likewise. All you have to do is beg. And you have to be convincing.

Tell you what , i might let you survive a port battle if you beg nicely.

[Horatio Hawke]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mercenary Jeremiah, you are now running into what we ran into. There is a small contingent on the British side who only care about winning the first map, no matter what the consequences. As they have stated, they do not care about other players and do not care what happens to the game as long as they win. It is a valid tactic to flip ports on a majority European forum at 7-8am but it is a dirty one. We had to go through this for three weeks, but now that we are finally getting a resistance up and able to stop them they have decided to switch targets to an opponent they know cannot fight back. All we can say to the French players is hold out and attack during your hours. As it is always the same people participating in the Port Battles because of their dictatorial attitudes if we run battles against the British from 18h00 CET until 07h00 CET they are going to burn themselves out. The British continue to talk about about the non-existent Hispanic-Franco Alliance, well the way they are going might actually cause the creation of a proper Alliance.

You have no clue about the British Faction on this server. So I would suggest you stop speaking for us. If the French and Spanish are really as concerned about the stability of the server as they always claim they are than I've no doubt people are willing to work out an agreement. I can't speak for every British Society but I know a few people who have good heads on their shoulders.

I think we are at the point of the card game where we need to show some cards and stop bluffing.

[Hovis]

Originally Posted by Horatio Hawke Well when you get some say in your faction come back to the table with something of more substance than the tired and well worn, "Save the Whales" rhetoric of greenpeace. Here is a novel what if. What If the Spanish were to make a move on France? What would really happen? How would the dynamics of Roberts change? At the moment the Spanish and French have been using the "We must attack the British in order to survive"... I can understand how at the start of the world this was true. Now however we are seeing thanks to Hovis and his refurbished soapbox that the Spanish are simply doing you French a favor. If the French were as concerned about their survival as they claim to be and the Spanish truly sympathetic to the needs of the entire server we could get a few Society leaders to sit down and hammer out a true agreement that would stablize Roberts for the short term and allow us to equally build up our factions and still open up PvP zones until we get a better population balance around the time zones and more patches. Of course this is just a pipe dream and I need to just say no to drugs.

Spain attacking France needs a few things to happen:

1. We'd need to run out of easy British targets. So basically when we've got the Yucatan back for a start.

2. Some sort of provocation from the French, or better yet a bilateral declaration of war. Keep it civilised, or at least keep it clear who was throwing the first punch.

3. We'd have to be confident the British wouldn't take the opportunity to give us all the bum's rush. That basically means breaking the British backs, because last time they made a come back they nearly took the server.

4. We'd have to be sure that France could take the hit. It's not worth breaking the game over a map win we'll probably get anyway.

Strategically we get three red zones, and they have to be used on the British. One zone is sort of our spare zone, to put where we like, then we need to use two zones at once to be certain of capturing one port every couple of days, which offsets the damage done by the British ninja teams. If we used our third zone, on it's own, against France that's not going to do much more than start a full blown war, a war which with only one zone in play we'd not be able to win. To start a new war with France we'd want to hit them with all three zones at once, but to do that we have to lose ports to the British.

It's pretty much a no win to attack France, or at least it's a not-substantial-enough win.

If we get to the point any time soon that we can go head to head with the British in prime time and be certain of victory then we'd not have to take the belt and braces double-attack approach, but of course when that day does come you're already screwed, because your port battle force is your greatest asset.

[Nicolas de Coursic]

There is no bluff, we don't care about winning, if we did, we would have rolled on an US server and did the same to them you do to us.

We want a balanced server with FUN battles. The way you play the game is not fun at all.
And I can't speak for all french people but its likely you are going to play it alone soon the way it goes.

I agree it's not your problem if the game dies because of your actions. I'm just pretty surprised to see FLS making Seppukku allowing it.

Well, there's enough MMO s running, when they are dead i am still playing.

[Hovis]

Originally Posted by Larhten Tell you what , i might let you survive a port battle if you beg nicely.

Yay! He does have a spine after all. You can has a cookie.

[Larhten]

Originally Posted by Nicolas de Coursic There is no bluff, we don't care about winning, if we did, we would have rolled on an US server and did the same to them you do to us. We want a balanced server with FUN battles. The way you play the game is not fun at all. And I can't speak for all french people but its likely you are going to play it alone soon the way it goes. I agree it's not your problem if the game dies because of your actions. I'm just pretty surprised to see FLS making Seppukku allowing it. Well, there's enough MMO s running, when they are dead i am still playing.

Have fun then , fight the Spanish.

But oh wait , you really DO care about winning , or you would have done so already.