The Alliance

[Mordegan]

Just a point, the way I hear it the Alliance 'in-house' prices aren't anything to shout about. Hope that's not true, but 600K for a sleek herc is ridiculous. Vox

Within our "coalition/alliance" we buy ships 10 % above cost OR at the cost within that particular society we are purchasing it from. I never heard of anyone spending 600k on a sleek.

[James Cook]

This thread is verbose to say the least. Guess I might as well add my 2 dbs worth... and a few paragraphs...

(please forgive me if I'm way off base, but this thread is a bit much to read in one sitting).


I'm glad Mr. Lepper acknowledges that his generalizations are indeed just generalizations. I might see some merit in his arguments if I was not within a society. But as I've been within an 'alliance' society since preboarding I fail to see where the rest of the nation is being marginalized by our efforts. It would seem to me that everything we have created has been in an attempt to forge unity amongst the various groups on our server, not division. And if we have provided advice (note: not instructions) regarding port battles or general play it has been for the well being of the server/player, not the component societies of the 'alliance'.

Also, just because you are in a society or within the 'alliance' does not mean that you are immune to the same outcast feelings new players feel. Within every group I think you're going to get the elitists who step outside their bounds and make some feel small and worthless. But this is usually self corrected by the group. We inevitably will only listen to someone we respect and whom we can rally behind. Therein lies the rub?

Perhaps there is an unfortunate misconception that the major societies on this server are elitist and self serving... because in the beginning I think many were. But that was quickly corrected by seeing how we needed to work together and that no one society could lead the charge, not to mention many who were inconsiderate of the group were eventually ignored (and I can only assume this purging process is still going on and will always continue). This is not a matter of not listening to people who have good ideas, which has unfortunately happened at times, but of taking into account the nation to the best of our abilities. That is the role of a society and an alliance is it not?

Regarding new players,

I think there is a divide amongst the established players and those that are new to the game. But I feel as though that is a product of how many new players are joining (or not joining) opposed to how the 'alliance' is treating the matter. I've heard others help and have participated myself in trying to help out new players with any questions they have had. But these days are busy for a lvl 50 NO... Between grinding and assisting in operations in whatever capacity is needed (whether military, economic, or otherwise) how many hours in my day do I have to actively pursue new members?... not many.

I am so glad we do have people who dedicate themselves to this though and take the time to work with low level players. I see our ranks grow daily with new player members.

But I don't think I'm too far off when I say that many of us high lvl 'alliance' Brits are trying to work out our endgame (getting SOL's and maps) so that we can enjoy ourselves even more. We tend to do this within society--within the group of people we have been grinding and learning with for months.

Sitting around bickering at each other hasn't proved useful so far so I don't see that working anytime soon.

I'm not sure if I resolve or point out anything new here, but it's what I was thinking.

[Jack Naseby]

Originally Posted by James Cook Sitting around bickering at each other hasn't proved useful so far so I don't see that working anytime soon.

Hear Hear!

Excellent post sir.

[Athlen]

Originally Posted by Mordegan Within our "coalition/alliance" we buy ships 10 % above cost OR at the cost within that particular society we are purchasing it from. I never heard of anyone spending 600k on a sleek.

Well that's a solid thing to hear. Next time I hear of something like that I'll ask them if I can quote, or I'll direct them to this thread so they can demonstrate their indignation

Vox

[netjam]

Dang it...missed my 15 seconds of fame. Did not see my Random Alliance Member type post covered here.

Originally Posted by Lepper Now what makes you think I haven't? Or would it scare the hell out of you to think that maybe I'm getting both views and still finding things needing improvement? Look, Uncle, we go through this every time... Lepper: I'm a giant ******bag. Blah blah blah. Here's my argument, rudely worded, but generally logical: Argument. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Random Alliance member: You're a giant ******bag. Blah blah blah. I'm ignoring your argument because I don't like the way it's worded. That means I don't have to pay attention to how valid it is! SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Lepper: You're compounding the problem by not listening. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Random Aliiance member: We don't have to listen because you're a giant ******bag. You can't prove your arguments. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Lepper: Reasoned explanation. Vaguely witty jab. Yes, i'm a ******bag, but you're not exactly acting much better. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Random semi-rational Alliance member: Lepper may have a point, although he's a giant ******bag. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag, and random semi-rational member you are a giant ******bag as well for agreeing. SHUN!!! SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!! Shun. Random Alliance member: Prove it. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Lepper: Example. Option to allow you to prove it or disprove it for yourself if the example isn't good enough for you. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Random Alliance member: Well... uhm... Why don't YOU go do that only like... uh... the opposite!!! And you can like prove it! Lepper: That kindof defeats the purpose as unless I come up with the most positive, glowing review of you EVAR you're unlikely to pay attention to a word I say. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag. Random Alliance member: I'm not talking to you anymore. You twist my words/you're a giant ******bag/you didn't answer a question that I didn't ask/despite me hurling insults at you for 12 pages, I am now suddenly offended by your post that's more mild than half of what I and my Alliance members have placed up on these boards in regards to you/some other paltry excuse. SaraBlu: Lepper, you're a giant ******bag.

[Zoob]

Originally Posted by Lepper No point, William. My role here is apparently non-functional, as the dissenting opinion is apparently ignored for whatever excuse is the most convenient for you at the time. Mimicking your own attitudes and behavior in game on my posts here is apparently a subtlety that's lost on plenty of people. Showing you how poorly you behave by throwing it back at you in funhouse-mirror fashion isn't working. Showing you exactly how poor your attitudes are by drawing it out for everyone to see (including yourselves) is not helping you examine your flaws, and even rational discourse is met with irrational hatred. Blatantly rubbing your noses in the smell of your own actions is met only with denial or poor attempts at passing the blame. In short: Britain is now your sandbox, and I leave you to it. Feel free to continue use it as a toilet and then complain about the stench to your heart's content. I'm done trying to show you where the bathroom is. You had a chance--certainly not because I offered you one, but because you had skilled, friendly core players and a large base of population. You could have been a serious contender in this game, and could have fostered a healthy play environment where four nations fought on relatively equal grounds. Every match against an opponent would have given you a new chance to improve and adapt, and every new British player could have come into the game looking up to the Alliance you'd contributed to. Hell, maybe you can still manage to pull it off, but I'm done playing Coyote.

Nice try Lepper. Just wait for the great wheel to turn or a server merge. Whatever comes first.

[sailorman_glh]

Originally Posted by Lepper My role here is apparently non-functional, as the dissenting opinion is apparently ignored for whatever excuse is the most convenient for you at the time. ... I'm done trying to show you where the bathroom is. ... Hell, maybe you can still manage to pull it off, but I'm done playing Coyote.

So, in short, you're quitting?

Awesome.

Can I have your stuff?

[Lepper]

Quitting the game? Hardly. I'm just done trying to show you exactly what you look like to the rest of us by mimicking you.

Sorry, sailor, no stuff for you. Although if you need some nicer sails, feel free to give me a hollar.

[sailorman_glh]

Originally Posted by Lepper Sorry, sailor, no stuff for you. Although if you need some nicer sails, feel free to give me a hollar.

Those I could use. Send me a pm with your in-game name and price list, if possible!

[Lepper]

All you need to know is here.