To the leet brigade - *I* am legend.

[Larhten]

Originally Posted by Sywen i agree with you if they don't want no-sol ships in a PB, they have to make sure they have more contention points then the others. if i am on my british, and i grind for contention, and have 500+ , no one has the right to dismiss my efforts for someone who only has 1 point of contention, just because he has a sol.

Not a case of SoL's only

Its a case of level 50 ships. Quite often we dont have the TIME to get PcP at every defensive battle past that of the grinders who have been sitting there for weeks ,while maintaining an offensive prescence.

[RedeyedNfried]

There’s also the fact I saw someone with 3k points lose to someone with 4 points. Getting an invite is no measure of your contribution.

[stormgald]

Originally Posted by Sywen i agree with you if they don't want no-sol ships in a PB, they have to make sure they have more contention points then the others. if i am on my british, and i grind for contention, and have 500+ , no one has the right to dismiss my efforts for someone who only has 1 point of contention, just because he has a sol.

Hearing thing like that from a pirate i undarstand becouse u guys dont have much expirance with fliping ports and geting ppl for pb.

Do u know that with this idiotic invite system someone with 2 k points might not get invite and a guy with 50 points can .

[elgin]

Stygianas' football referenec has inspired me to post:



One fine day, walking through town Rusty chanced upon a plot of grassland just sitting there, doing nothing. He bought it, put up some goal-posts (no nets) and put a football in the middle, then wandered off, whistling contentedly to himself at having done a good deed for the local lads.

Pretty soon a bunch of big kids and a bunch of little kids happened along and pretty soon were having a kick-about together. Everyone chased after the ball in a muddled lump, everyone got a kick, the ball went all over the place with no rhyme or reason. There was no off-side called, and no throw ins (Rusty hadn’t left a rule book or painted in any lines so no one knew if the ball went “out”, or not). No one bothered to keep score.

After a while, a splendid looking coach drew up. Out piled the local professional football clubs’ youth team and their manager. Their fixture in the FA Youth league competition had been called off at the last moment and they were looking for somewhere to practice. So their manager walks up and stops the kick-about and suggests they all make up two teams with, to make things fair, half the professional clubs’ players on each side. The kick-abouters quite like the idea of playing with some skilled players (although the smallest of the little kids are a bit wary), and anyway they cant do anything about it as the manager has picked up and taken a tight hold of the ball.

But things don’t go well. All the professional players are hell bent on impressing the manager and badly want to win. Pretty soon they stop passing the ball to the little kids, and when a big "kick-abouter" lad gets the ball they all shout at him to pass it back to one of them straight away before he loses it. And the kick-abouters keep chasing after the ball, they won’t stay in position like they ought (and are told) too; they keep wandering into off-side positions and, what is worse, don’t take any notice when the professionals stop for a free kick, but carry on running towards goal!

No one has a good time, and when after a while the ball goes in a neighbours back garden and he won’t give it back, the two sides pack it in and go off blaming each other for spoiling the afternoon.

Short version

You cannot set up a game where half the people just want a kick-about without keeping score and the other half want an organised team effort with tactics and pre-match training and a trophy for the winners, and expect either side to be happy.

[kazamx]

Originally Posted by Stygiana Sadly i can not kick you but next time I will see you in a PB I will park my SoL next to you and push us both into the enemy line of fire until we sink. And believe me Plenty of our foes enjoy sinking me.

@CaptainKipper, what is your characters in game name? As a low ranking member of the Spanish Nation, I will do everything in my power to have the line sink the SOL and leave you to sail on without harm when he tries to do this.

@Elgin, Thats a great story and I think really sums up the whole situation. Both sides want to play in different ways and both sides ruin things for the other, the trick is finding some common ground.

[CaptainKipper]

Originally Posted by Larhten Not a case of SoL's only Its a case of level 50 ships. Quite often we dont have the TIME to get PcP at every defensive battle past that of the grinders who have been sitting there for weeks ,while maintaining an offensive prescence.

So... you would much prefer it if you didnt have to grind points, and those that spend time doing it should then stand aside and allow someone else to take the glory from the battle they created.

It just gets better.

[Stygiana]

Originally Posted by kazamx @CaptainKipper, what is your characters in game name? As a low ranking member of the Spanish Nation, I will do everything in my power to have the line sink the SOL and leave you to sail on without harm when he tries to do this.

Yeah sure, like they listen when they see my name.

Back to the point, It dont care that you join.
I do care that you BRAG about the fact that joined and bravely stood up for the little guy by not taking orders and doing your own thing.

But like I said before you are just one of those full of it guys who will use whatever means to push that oh so important opinion they have on the rest of the world.
Maybe I do the same but at least I dont hide and cover it.
Maybe I am a dictator but you want to run a democrazy (spelling intended) where people get to vote but then you just give out the results you want without looking at what was voted. And those are far far worse

[Larhten]

Originally Posted by CaptainKipper So... you would much prefer it if you didnt have to grind points, and those that spend time doing it should then stand aside and allow someone else to take the glory from the battle they created. It just gets better.

You completely missed the entire point of my post. Good job!

[adamskifarmer]

It seems that there is not going to be any kind of solution to this argument...the PvP crowd "know" they are right and the n00bs (as they call us) also "know" they are right.

I personally think that the PvPers are doing an excellent job of waging the war, and we should all be gratefull to them for their efforts. At the same time I think that that crowd need to remember that the rest of the British nation are not worthless just because they are not at level 50 yet.

And this argument finally need never have happened. The OP clearly states that the choice of ship was an accident. Nor would it all have started if the invite system had been fixed.

People below level 50 have the right to come to PB's in what ever ship they choose; they do at the same time have a moral obligation to their team mates to do so only if they presence does not jeopardise the communal effort. Level 50 players at the same time have the obligation to be polite and courteous to other players. This final point actually can be applied to people or all nations and of all levels.

I have been shouted at in game and I confess I have shouted back. This makes me equally part of the problem and denies me any prospect of a moral high ground. The same would apply to everyone.

Anyway just my tuppence.

[stokes234]

The guy who started this thread is also the guy that started the flaming yesterday. People started saying on nation and conquest that it would be helpful if people with low lvl ships would reject the invites, as there are loads of sols including a 2nd rate waiting to get in. This guy started saying anyone can go if they pay their subs and people should stop telling him what to do, basically. Dont bother trying to reason with him, hes just the new FINAL TRF.