The Age of Piracy - Cartoon Version

[Gammelsen]

I am saddened by the lack of sincerity in this game; you expect me to pay money for a game that does not even take itself serious - it seems to me that the developers are scared and suppressed, not even daring to portray the time-period of the game in such a historical manner which is acceptable for public material.

I must confess, although I do not in general have anything against my opposite *** (on the contrary, mostly I would say), I am not fond of the way they are being put into roles as officers, marines etc... I feel the same way about the portrayal of "Coloured" human beings as prominent men/women in the 18th century, against all historical/correct knowledge.

I am aware that this is a game meant for entertainment and that the developers do want to earn money, or at least earn enough to keep the project going. - But why does this constrain you (FLS) from giving your customers a historically enlightening game that does not suffer from the judgements of modern society.

Is it not more harmful to deny the wrong-doings of our history than enlightening people of the actual situation, making them realise the extent of the problem? - I am not a fan of the slavery, imperialism, female oppression or any other oppressing themes of the 17-19th century - on the contrary - but I will never deny that these things are part of our common history and keys to understand the present day.


Sincerely,
Gammelsen

[brendonoid]

Originally Posted by Gammelsen Is it not more harmful to deny the wrong-doings of our history than enlightening people of the actual situation, making them realise the extent of the problem? - I am not a fan of the slavery, imperialism, female oppression or any other oppressing themes of the 17-19th century - on the contrary - but I will never deny that these things are part of our common history and keys to understand the present day.

Which is fine when discussing academic literature or art.

Keep it out of my silly little sailing boat game though please. This game is not a historical simulation. If that is what you are after, you have come to the wrong game.

[Gammelsen]

Originally Posted by brendonoid This game is not a historical simulation.

In some ways it is - and in some ways it could be even more so.
I would, as you've probably noticed, enjoy the game more if it was more realistic/historical. I am actually only discussing minor issues in the game which annoys me (and probably others as well); many other aspect could probably be found.

[zaknesbitt]

I've been hoping and trying to get this game a little more historically accurate for almost 2 years now mate - and I'm still totally into it!

FLS just seems to want to make a fun kiddy game when they don't realize that adding historical accuracy would make it even funner!

[Bartholomew Bones]

So it is your point that you would enjoy this game more if there were less women and "colored" people?

Sheesh!

[Gammelsen]

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Bones So it is your point that you would enjoy this game more if there were less women and "colored" people? Sheesh!

I am curious, how did you conclude that? - My point was that they were put into inaccurate roles, not saying that women or African people should be removed; that would also be inaccurate.

Please don't jump to conclusions - if you do, you should at least be able to make ONE argument and contribute a little.

[Sparrowkin]

Originally Posted by Gammelsen I am saddened by the lack of sincerity in this game.... ... but I will never deny that these things are part of our common history and keys to understand the present day. Sincerely, Gammelsen

Removed the majority of your quote so my reply wouldn't be 2 pages long, don't take it the wrong way :P

I agree for the most, but then you'de have everyone on a hate rant about how black people and woman are being opressed in the game - You can't win either way mate.

You see it all the time on TV, a prime example was the puplic phoning in to the Childrens TV department of 'Telletubbies' demanding the characters be leveled out equally by race. The conslusion being, each of the four bearlike characters were giving a skin tone...

It's all laughable really, everything comes down to race these days, very silly. We should be passed that stage now... this is the 21st century for crying out loud!

If you want realism in naval combat of a strategie type game, try Empire Total War. Sure the campaign sucks hardcore, but at least the battles are pretty realistic!

Originally Posted by Bartholomew Bones So it is your point that you would enjoy this game more if there were less women and "colored" people? Sheesh!

Typical of my point, the man made a valid point whereas you sir, did not.

[Gammelsen]

Originally Posted by Sparrowkin It's all laughable really, everything comes down to race these days, very silly. We should be passed that stage now... this is the 21st century for crying out loud! If you want realism in naval combat of a strategie type game, try Empire Total War. Sure the campaign sucks hardcore, but at least the battles are pretty realistic!

Thank you for a sensible response.

It really is quite laughable; when a game is supposed to be set in the 18th century, I don't want any fools (in general - no offence, FLS) telling me that any African, imported for slave-labour, rose to the rank of Naval Officer, leader of a trade-company, etc. etc... Same goes for females. - I'm not saying that there were exceptions in a degree, but those who tried to break free of the norms of the time were outlaws (/pirates).

Yes, I have Empire Total War installed on my PC, but I play this game because I like to play personally as one character.

[britman654]

Originally Posted by Gammelsen Yes, I have Empire Total War installed on my PC, but I play this game because I like to play personally as one character.

I think I have a solution to this; Age of Pirates 2 is far more realistic than PotBS (to a degree of course, it's still a game). However, it isn't online (100% single-player), or "graphically stunning" like PotBS and it's horribly bugged (for some people). Although I cannot say anything about Burning Sea's historical accuracy, if you're looking for a game with a little more of it, you might want to check out AoP2. If you're lucky and find a near bug-free copy (they DO exist, I have one myself) it can be quite entertaining.
And now to appologize for not sounding intelligent, as I am not a very smart person :P

[Brit.Privateer]

I don't think you'll ever find a game that is even close to being historically correct for pirates. I remember being on the forums on this game back in '06 and '07 when the game was still in development. I petitioned for maintaining historical accuracy, but "it's not what you want, it's the consumer." A combination of this realization and that I was entering college and lost a lot of free time kind of made me forget about this game for four years. Since then, I have shaped a whole college history major toward studying early provincial era American history, maritime history, and pirate history. But, I have to say, it's kind of refreshing to see that, even years later, that there are some who appreciate historical accuracy.

Oh, and hi to anyone who goes back that far and remembers me, such a Danicia. Remember when POTBS had its own online radio station? I was around for that.