...I'm so glad I have the freedom.....

[BigHead]

Originally Posted by purecarnagge You should move. It will be safer for you coward. They had no knowledge of the intention of those two planes until the 1st one crashed, and the 2nd one was minutes behind it.

You lose the thread again =(

What's to stop that from happening again? No army, no soldier anywhere in the world. Security at the airport / on the plane is the only thing to keep that from happening again.

Armies are effective for fighting other armies.

Armies are less effective against small groups of people with a shared goal.

Especially in a global world where people are always, and easily, crossing other countries borders.

Originally Posted by Charissela d'Avonle So, WWII was just a bunch of heroes all trying to kill each other? It seems that some of you think that fighting a war, in and of itself, is a "heroic" thing to do, and that the causes don't matter at all. So, hey, let's just go invade Canada, or Australia, or Italy. Hell, name the country, any country will do. The resulting war will be "heroic."

Use that post for a staging ground for a counter-point. Most posts after that say pretty much the same thing.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

Originally Posted by Hamilkar Absolutely its the exact thing that Charissa has done in one post rather than the 50 that Charissa broke his up into. .

You are merely making a sweeping assertion about my posts, without pointing to any particular examples of what you are talking about.

[purecarnagge]

Originally Posted by stokes234 Where? asdfasdf

I already quoted it. Can you not read?

[purecarnagge]

Originally Posted by BigHead You lose the thread again =( What's to stop that from happening again? No army, no soldier anywhere in the world. Security at the airport / on the plane is the only thing to keep that from happening again. Armies are effective for fighting other armies. Armies are less effective against small groups of people with a shared goal. Especially in a global world where people are always, and easily, crossing other countries borders. Use that post for a staging ground for a counter-point. Most posts after that say pretty much the same thing.

No but he's said that by going to war we are now less safe. Which is not true.

[Charissela d'Avonle]

Originally Posted by purecarnagge No but he's said that by going to war we are now less safe. Which is not true.

Are we at war? When was the Declaration of War made, and against who was it made? Who are we at war against? Can you even give a rational answer to that?

Here is what happened, in a nutshell: Osama Bin Laden's relatively small and powerless terrorist organization managed to hit a terrorist home run on 9/11. The US freaked out hysterically and decided to treat what was in fact a terrorist act by a small band of criminals as if it were a declaration of war by other countries. Everything that has happened since can be traced back to this hysterical overreaction, with the US flailing around with the blunt instrument of its military might instead of reacting intelligently and treating it as a matter that should be handled by good international police and special forces work in cooperation with other governments.

As a result, all in the name of 9/11, the US has invaded and bombed other countries, killing countless numbers of innocent people in the process, showing a remarkable degree of stupidity by not realizing that it is pouring fuel on the flames of anti-american sentiment in the world and Muslims in particular. If the US had intentionally set out to fan the flames of anti-american terrorism, it could hardly have done a better job.

[BigHead]

Originally Posted by purecarnagge No but he's said that by going to war we are now less safe. Which is not true.

That's really yet to be seen. It's only been 9ish years since 9/11. I don't feel we can make a determination as to weather we are or not until 10-15 years after we leave Iraq.

Looking at Al Quaeda's attacks on actual U.S. soil... 9/11 was in 2001 and the first bombing of the WTC was in 1993. So I suppose you could make a early assessment in the next couple years.

I feel by invading Iraq, we've only created more generations that will be out to get us. The attacks were orchestrated by a group of people, not a country. Therefore instead of using our military, we should have used other resources to combat this threat.

As I said earlier, armies are ideal for fighting other armies. Those who attacked us represent no army, or country. They represent an idea. Therefore we should have used other routes in dealing with them.

[dominar34]

guys, this isnt the right place, or time to be talking about politics.

We have many people from many places with very different opinions about war/healthcare/stupid ****, like i said, not the place for it.

[stokes234]

Originally Posted by Hamilkar Absolutely its the exact thing that Charissa has done in one post rather than the 50 that Charissa broke his up into. I can get into said topic of debate... in the OFF TOPIC FORUM without derailing the current thread. That said this thread is so derailed it should be closed immediately.

Actually, charissa has made dozens of points, and all you've done is throw insults. That's not rational debate. If you want to debate his points, do so. If you want to insult people who don't share your exact world view without actually backing up your posts with arguements, i'm sure you can find plenty of other forums for that.

[brasa218]

Originally Posted by Charissela d'Avonle Are we at war? When was the Declaration of War made, and against who was it made? Who are we at war against? Can you even give a rational answer to that? Here is what happened, in a nutshell: Osama Bin Laden's relatively small and powerless terrorist organization managed to hit a terrorist home run on 9/11. The US freaked out hysterically and decided to treat what was in fact a terrorist act by a small band of criminals as if it were a declaration of war by other countries. Everything that has happened since can be traced back to this hysterical overreaction, with the US flailing around with the blunt instrument of its military might instead of reacting intelligently and treating it as a matter that should be handled by good international police and special forces work in cooperation with other governments. As a result, all in the name of 9/11, the US has invaded and bombed other countries, killing countless numbers of innocent people in the process, showing a remarkable degree of stupidity by not realizing that it is pouring fuel on the flames of anti-american sentiment in the world and Muslims in particular. If the US had intentionally set out to fan the flames of anti-american terrorism, it could hardly have done a better job.

I want to use this as my new sig but it's too big

Charissa, in this thread you know what you are talking about. I don't only mean this post but all you other posts in this thread.

Ruckuz and Hamilkar are trying to troll around which is ****. Everybody has his own opinion so stop ****ing insulting people who have another opinion than you.

[cheeseypie5555]

The Teletubbies won WW1, Bananas in pyjamas won WW2, Big Bird won vietnam, Cookie Monster won the cold war.

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