I Submit....

[kritikal]

I Submit to reality.... my 64x32lb Gunned Indiaman plan/concept/failoverloadedpolarcethirdratewithfartoomuchironon boardtopossiblyfloat is Gone, and in Place of it, HMS Princess/Princessa, a Captured 70 Gunned Third Rate which was originally built by the Spanish then later Captured by the British Navy.

Though it's Armaments is not as heavy as I would like, it still does have a Fair amount of 32lbers, 28 of them, Additionally the Dates fit in game as Well;
Launched 1730/1731, Captured by the Royal Navy in 1740. And just to fit my Corsair RP, HMS Princess Frequented the Medeterian Sea.

Anyway, with the new requirements/limits to ship Modeling, would it be possible for me to begin this Project or Reactivate my Original Dragon Indiaman Project?


Nuju-

[elessaria]

Without wanting to sound harsh; it's not a merchantman; it was built as an 86 gun vessel which is over the limit; with a 166' 3" gundeck was larger than the Invincible, Prince and Trinity; has no accurate plans; and wouldn't really fit with the other models in-game...

[kritikal]

Originally Posted by elessaria Without wanting to sound harsh; it's not a merchantman; it was built as an 86 gun vessel which is over the limit; with a 166' 3" gundeck was larger than the Invincible, Prince and Trinity; has no accurate plans; and wouldn't really fit with the other models in-game...

I am Aware HMS Princess (Princessa) was not a Merchent, though could you please give me a link as to where you found an Article which stated The Princessa was Built to Hold 86 Cannons? From what I read, it was built as a Third Rate with 70 Cannons, yet only sailed with 64.

Additionally it is not Larger then the Invincible, Though it is quite similar, The Difference in Lenght is in general sense 3m, Well, if the Invincible is based off HMS Sovereigen.....

Nuju-

[JW Santhem]

The invincible model is (as far as i know) based on the San Felipe first rate.
Also, theres not the tinyest chance that you are getting this ingame.

First of all, ships with more than 50 guns arent allowed anymore, unless the project was already started before this deadline was created.

Chances are you might still get your hands on one of these projects if you dig through the old forum, and try to contact people who started a 50+ gun project back then.

Second, this ship has no plans, which makes it extremely hard, if not impossible (based on how much other recources there are regarding this ship) to model it. Especially with zero expierence.

The best advice i can give is to go through the forums, read the stuff, view the pictures. Download the User Content pack, and see how it works. Once youv got a basic understanding of how (a.k.a. in what order) to model the ship, you can start some modelling tutorials.

Once you have a basic understanding of modelling, its generally believed best to start on a small scale project.


Now please dont take this the wrong way, im not trying to bash your idea. But when i first started looking around here i was like: "omg im gonna make a big *** awesome ship", like you are now.

Then you realise, that the 1044 page tutorial to maya isnt actually that short, and you'll want to start something small. Much like i did Le Coureur. Its small, and has accurate plans, and alot of other documentation...

After that, i started on the Hielperinden, which has only a very basic, low detail plan. Now believe me when i tell you this: If i would have done the Hielperinden as a starters project, i would have ragequitted, and never, ever visited this forum ever again. It can get very frustrating if you do not have the right sources. So my advice: if you actually want to get something in-game: start with something REALISTIC.
//edit: Tip: www.orlogsbasen.dk is a very good source if you want plans!

P.S.
The correct way of asking approval for a project is in the project announcements thread.

[LiMuBei]

Have to agree to most of what Santhem said, 50+ guns is a no-no I don't know how much experience you have in modeling but making a smaller ship at first is always a good idea. But the main breaker for this project will be a lack of plans.

Gotta say that making a thread to discuss a potential project before going to the announcement thread is generally a good idea

[kritikal]

The invincible model is (as far as i know) based on the San Felipe first rate. Also, theres not the tinyest chance that you are getting this ingame.

Strange that 7 people stated that is was Based off HMS Sovereigen.....

Regardless, would you happen to have a Link to the Stats of the Invincible so I could Compare it to the Princess?

Originally Posted by JW Santhem Now please dont take this the wrong way, im not trying to bash your idea. But when i first started looking around here i was like: "omg im gonna make a big *** awesome ship", like you are now.

You should have seen the Stats for my Original Dragon Indiaman, this is a considerable compromise for me.

I don't know how much experience you have in modeling but making a smaller ship at first is always a good idea

I've stated before that I am new to Modeling, however I would not plan on modeling such a Third Rate before I create some sort of Small Medium Vessel, Perhaps a Model for the Hellbrand Indiaman...

Have to agree to most of what Santhem said, 50+ guns is a no-no

First of all, ships with more than 50 guns arent allowed anymore, unless the project was already started before this deadline was created. Chances are you might still get your hands on one of these projects if you dig through the old forum, and try to contact people who started a 50+ gun project back then.

Strange, exactly why would FLS decrease the ability to introduce more ships to POTBS now that First/Second Rates have been removed?
Any chances that this limit will eventually be removed? Well, once all frigates have their Respective models, if that is the reason for such a rule.


Nuju-

[Josh_Brown]

Originally Posted by elessaria Without wanting to sound harsh; it's not a merchantman; it was built as an 86 gun vessel which is over the limit; with a 166' 3" gundeck was larger than the Invincible, Prince and Trinity; has no accurate plans; and wouldn't really fit with the other models in-game...

I think you're looking at a different Princessa - the one he referenced was a 64 gun Spanish 3rd rate.

I do agree, though, without plans... Nyet!

[JW Santhem]

Well, when you finish a model, its up to FLS to decide if they want it ingame or not.
Appearently, they want to focus on frigates, and not on lineships, at this point.

The point is, theyv got the Alexander, Mordaunt, and Poseidon 4th rates (and theyr refits). And the Valiant and Wenden (and theyr refits). Basically they do not need more 4th or 3th rates. I mean... the variety would be nice, but its not essential.

When you look at frigates, youv got the capricieux and the tigre sharing the same model. There's the Defiant model thats shared amongst alot of other frigates. There's just way more need for frigates in the 30-45 gun section than there is for lineships.


FLS does appearently not want to introduce that much lineships anymore, so they announce this upfront. If not, you might model a whole ship and not get it ingame, which would be not so motivating for the community.

[elessaria]

Originally Posted by toanuju281 if the Invincible is based off HMS Sovereigen.....

Which it isn't...

[elessaria]

Originally Posted by Josh_Brown I think you're looking at a different Princessa - the one he referenced was a 64 gun Spanish 3rd rate. I do agree, though, without plans... Nyet!

No, I am refering to the ship Princessa captured in 1740 but the Royal Navy. The ship was pierced for 86 guns but only carried 68 into battle. She was captured off Cape Finisterre and renamed HMS Princess. Scarcely a decade later, another ship, Princesa, was taken at Cape St Vincent and renamed HMS Princessa, since the name Princess was already taken by the earlier vessel. If you do some research (Wikipedia does not count for this) you will find both ships reasonably well documented; especially in library material. It is as a direct response to the size of the ship you are proposing that the Admiralty shifted its traditionally stubborn resistance to change and began construction of larger vessels such as the Royal Sovereign.

The San Felipe is widely believed to be a fictitious creation of a later era, but is a well-renowned model which allows the gundeck to be estimated at 161ft 5in.