Macedon

[mud117]

Is too powerful. Either make it cost an LSB (like the Vengeance) or reduce its firepower + armor. At the moment, it obsoletes both the Mercy and the Reason, being able to compete against the HMC while costing exponentially less to make.

[El Conquistador]

More DPS than MULTI LSB boats, polars like a trinidad and accel like a frigate for what? 40 MOV or some crap? What's wrong with that?

[chado]

Just Leave it as is till pnp. There's no other answer for nubs vs teh hmc zerg

[elessaria]

Mace and Hype both need an accel nerf TBH.

[Remus]

Cruz made another thread wanting to bring the Wenden and Valiant closer together in price so I looked them up their P&P stats and realised if you were going to make the Wenden cheaper you would need to adjust the Couronne MC's recipe, and to do anything about the Valiant would really mean increasing the costs of the fourth rates, largely because of the Macedon and Reason.

I wonder if the all the fourth rates ought to cost an LSB, the Poseidon could probably stand an increase to 2 with its improved stats in P&P (though it only has 18 lbers) and the Valiant goes back up to three LSBs, keeping the Wenden at 6.

[elessaria]

The Poseidon isn't worth 1 LSB really, but up the accel to, say, 0.7 and the turning accel/decel to 7 and it would.

[mud117]

I disagree with adding LSBs to all of the 4th rates. Keeping them cheap allows newer players to go to PBs without having to grind much or worry about ship loss. However, the Mace is, without a doubt, much better than ships 1000%+ more expensive than it.

My problem isn't with the cost of 4th rates or 3rd rates, but how powerful the Mace is for its cost. My solution is to nerf it or make it more expensive. The 4ths against 3rds were relatively balanced (for cost vs states) before the Mace was introduced to counter the bundle-Herc zergs. Now that the Hercs have been nerfed / balanced, the Mace either needs to fall in line or follow the Do-Do.

[Remus]

Originally Posted by mud117 My problem isn't with the cost of 4th rates or 3rd rates, but how powerful the Mace is for its cost. My solution is to nerf it or make it more expensive.

Make it a recipe ship costing an LSB?
It could still be a refit of an Alex the same as a Vengeance is a refit of a Minerva.

Or, as ele said, just nerf the acceleration. Would that be enough?
Nerf much more and you'll turn it into a Reason.

[Captain Lackey]

Originally Posted by mud117 I disagree with adding LSBs to all of the 4th rates. Keeping them cheap allows newer players to go to PBs without having to grind much or worry about ship loss. However, the Mace is, without a doubt, much better than ships 1000%+ more expensive than it. My problem isn't with the cost of 4th rates or 3rd rates, but how powerful the Mace is for its cost. My solution is to nerf it or make it more expensive. The 4ths against 3rds were relatively balanced (for cost vs states) before the Mace was introduced to counter the bundle-Herc zergs. Now that the Hercs have been nerfed / balanced, the Mace either needs to fall in line or follow the Do-Do.

Actually, I was thinking they should make a half-LSB,. but I failed to account for the fact that vanilla Fourths output 2, not one.

Given that they're being improved. Throw in a LSB on the recipe.

[Remus]

Ah, of course. I think an LSB for the Mordaunt and Alex 2-ship recipes is reasonable enough.