New First Rates (your ship ideas)

[Storm Hunter]

Here you can list ships that you think can be modeled and used in the game.

Santisima Trinidad 1769


History of the ship

Built Havana in 1769 by Mateo Mullan, Pedro de Acosta and Ignacio Mullan. There is no complete plan
of this ship exist, but there is 112-gun ship plan of 1765 exist, which might be found the orginal dimensions of the ship : (the next dimension are in feet of the burgos (278,6mm), and metres.)
lenght = 213 2/3 (59,53), keel= 182 5/12 (50,82), beam= 57 3/4 (16,09), depth= 28 11/12 (8,06).

Orginally ship was planned to 112,116 or 118- gun ship, but actually was first carried 120 guns
(30-36, 32-24, 32-18, 26-8 pdr.)
In 1795 the ship dimensions were = 220 1/2 (61,43), 186 (51,82), 58 1/3 (16,25), 28 3/4 (8,01).

At the same time the armament was increased to 134 guns (36-32, 34-24, 36-12, 18-8, 10-24mortars), .
When Santisima Trinidad was damaged in the battle of ``Cape St Vicent" (1797) the ship was built a fourth gun deck, and in 1799 the armament was 136 guns (32-36, 34-24, 36-12, 18-8, 10-24mortars,
and 6 esmeriles).
Then before the ship last battle of ``Trafalgar" (1805) there was mounted other four mortars in the high deck, which raised the guns number to 140-guns.
Battle of Trafalgar the ship has crew of 1048 men, which 205 killed, and 108 wounded in battle.
Santisima Trinidad was captured battle of Trafalgar, but sunk in storm, which followed the battle.

What do you think?

There are many pictures and plans all around net.

[Mordin Solus]

Santissima Trinidad has already been rejected several times. It is a massive hulk of a ship which would be nearly impossible to implement in a manner that is both historically accurate and properly balanced. In addition, it is also outside the approved period which ship plans must originate from which (correct me if I am wrong) is 1660-1740. De Zeven Provincien is the only ship of the first or second rate class which was previously provisionally approved and has not been fully modelled and introduced. It currently exists as a Community Project which was, last I checked, headed by KrisWood, but has seen little or no progress in several years, as far as I am aware.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Mordin Solus Santissima Trinidad has already been rejected several times. It is a massive hulk of a ship which would be nearly impossible to implement in a manner that is both historically accurate and properly balanced. In addition, it is also outside the approved period which ship plans must originate from which (correct me if I am wrong) is 1660-1740. De Zeven Provincien is the only ship of the first or second rate class which was previously provisionally approved and has not been fully modelled and introduced. It currently exists as a Community Project which was, last I checked, headed by KrisWood, but has seen little or no progress in several years, as far as I am aware.

there are some ships in the game that are not based on any real ship. i believe the mont blonc is one of them.

they took a concept of a ship design and made there own. so what is the difference if someone took a concept of this ship and made there own.

[CaptBarbossa93]

HMS Victory

I know that this ship was built a little bit later then the games time period (1660-1740). It was launched 25 years after but it's a really nice ship and some exceptions have already been done for some ships. HMS Victory was built between 1759-1765.

Info
Builder: Chatham Dockyard
Launched: 7 May 1765
Class & Type: 104-gun First Rate Ship of the Line
Displacement: 3500 tons
Length: 227 ft
Complement: 850

Game
My thought was that this ship should have more guns but less armor and hull. I've counted the gunports on the images. Many gunports gives support for more guns, but also weakens the armor.

Class & Type: 118-gun First Rate Ship of the Line

Hull: 2800
Port: 1800
Stbd: 1800
Bow: 1100
Stern: 550
Sails: 4125

Swivels: 4x1/2lb
Topdeck: 16x10lb
Upperdeck: 30x16lb
Middeck: 30x32lb
Gundeck: 32x40lb
Fore gun: 2x12lb
Aft gun: 4x36lb


What do you think?

[Willy H Bonney]

French ship Orient (1791)

The Dauphin-Royal was an Océan class 118-gun ship of the line of the French Navy.
During the French Revolution, she was renamed Sans-Culotte in September 1792, and eventually Orient in May 1795.
She carried Napoleon to his invasion of Egypt, in which the French fleet narrowly avoided discovery by Nelson's fleet. If it had been discovered, Orient would have been a major target for the British ships and Napoleon's life would have been in considerable danger.
She was the flagship of the French fleet at the Battle of the Nile in August 1798. After receiving heavy fire from numerous British ships, she was set aflame. Eventually, the fire reached her powder magazine, and she blew up, with the loss of most of her crew, including her captain, Luc-Julien-Joseph Casabianca and his young son - giving rise to the memorable poem Casabianca by Felicia Hemans which begins ... "The boy stood on the burning deck".
After the Battle of Trafalgar, Viscount Horatio Nelson was put in a coffin carved from a piece of the main mast of Orient, which had been taken back to England for this purpose.

Displacement: 5 095 tonnes
Length: 65,18 metres (196,6 French feet)
Beam: 16,24 metres (50 French feet)
Draught: 8,12 metres (25 French feet)
Propulsion: sail, 3 265 m²
Complement: 1 079 men
Armament: Upper deck: 34 x 12-pounder guns
Middle deck: 34 x 24-pounder guns
Lower deck: 32 x 36-pounder guns
Quarterdeck and Forecastle:
18 x 8-pounder guns, 6 x 36-pounder carronades
Armour: Wood

[Thorin Eikinskjald]

Look, guys - I know you want the look of the Line of Battle ships from the Napoleonic War period, with the straight sides, smooth decks et all. NOT from our period - the doctrines that led to them being built, and the ongoing learning of the shipwrights that had to learn how to build ships that could handle the weight, position and other naval architect determinations for them were still being developed. Try some ships from our period. There were very sound reasons for the high sterns, severe tumblehome and other features of our period.

[KrisWood]

Originally Posted by Thorin Eikinskjald Look, guys - I know you want the look of the Line of Battle ships from the Napoleonic War period, with the straight sides, smooth decks et all. NOT from our period - the doctrines that led to them being built, and the ongoing learning of the shipwrights that had to learn how to build ships that could handle the weight, position and other naval architect determinations for them were still being developed. Try some ships from our period. There were very sound reasons for the high sterns, severe tumblehome and other features of our period.

We need a like button...

[CaptBarbossa93]

Originally Posted by KrisWood We need a like button...

KrisWood, you are in the 3D Steering; If the HMS Victory was built between 1759-1765, does really the 25 years (1765 - 1740 = 25) matter so much? It's actually "only" 25 years after and I belive that there's already many ships ingame that was finnished somwere between 1740-1750, which makes it even shorter. It's a such beautiful ship. 25 years?

[Blast Hardcheese]

Originally Posted by CaptBarbossa93 KrisWood, you are in the 3D Steering; If the HMS Victory was built between 1759-1765, does really the 25 years (1765 - 1740 = 25) matter so much?

It was "launched" in 1765, but it was immediately put in reserve for 13 years and commissioned for use in 1778. It was a ship far ahead of its time too. FLS have already rejected it, so you might as well give up.

Personally I think the Victory is an ugly ship. It looks like a big bathtub, no grace in its appearance at all.

[kovaloo]

Well i think that ships could be perfect for timeframe: French 1 Rate Royal Luis and Soleil Royale

here what wiki says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...al_Louis_(1692)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...il-Royal_(1670)
1 rate british: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Britannia_(1682)
2 rate british : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duke_(1682)

generally my idea is that could be perfect that every nation could use only "own" lineships.
For example French:that ones ,Brtis: HMS Triumph and similar and Spanish had some as well dunno what names...what u think ?