In the defense of the OMG's.

[Conflict]

So there's about 2 people ingame who loudly QQ a lot, and there's a couple on the forums. Vocal minorities are lovely but since they sadly get more attention than they deserve I'd like to take an opportunity to set the record straight. Let's see how much of what I write here gets ignored in the below posts.

The YGO's/OMG's of this map were 6 people. Most were brits, some were French. Kat would have it claimed all were crossteamers but this is untrue. I personally played British the map before. Regardless, we all played French this map devoutly.

"Every good 6-group has 12 people." - We had 6. Twice a week with some luck you get to have an A-group online and go to a PB and farm things. If you're lucky. Usually you'll have 3-4 of your 6 online in any given primetime, and have to PUG to make up the last few slots. By no implication are the people we PUG'd with bad players, but it's not a consistent group. I'd like to now add, the consistent group I'm referring to had about 3 weeks as a group, and did less fights as that said group than I could count on one hand. Consider that strongly. You rock up with 6 veterans from Roberts, why would we want to enter a lolsalvagingsupply spam and lose HMC duras with guys who legitamately are on their 2nd/3rd/5th 6v6 of their life, against veterans from Roberts who all know eachother?

So the usual lolclaim is "HURR LOSING PIXULS". The financial cost of a dura is indeed pixels, but those pixels represent "time spent grinding". Doing econ, fleeting (god forbid) etc. Losing them is no tragedy, running out of them represents the end of having fun. Fighting a stacked group while teaching new players how to 6v6 is not a fun way to lose pixels. Replacing those pixels isn't fun either. I, like others do not see why I'd wish to do this. This is not a "gf" nor is it a "/tiphat". The irony of this is those we fought earlier in the map who won't fight us any longer went through the same thought procedure. And we understand that.

So, the map. This claim I'm going to make we can back up with the dregs we FRAPS'd and will only be refuted by those who weren't there, but nevertheless my bets are the comments will call me names for saying this.

At the start of the map, Britain has no PvPers. Britain has people who're learning, but no groups. Spain has Alejhandro and a few friends, legitamately good players. France has the handful of guys who were in YGO, and the better selection of "other guys" to PUG with. Decent players who happen to float around. So really, every nation is terrible. I personally attended all but one French port battle in the first two weeks of the map. The one I didn't attend other OMG's did. Typically we'd have 2-4 people in the skirms and pick up the better players available. 6 HMC's with competant players in nearly every PB. The wrongly percieved French zerg was merely a handful of guys sterncharging the life out of perhaps the most misfortunate PB fleets I've ever seen on Antigua.

290 points on the board. Just before the impressive 290, we had a port battle I *think* was at Gibara. RL showed up for the first time of the map, with a full skirm group of 6 HMC's. We had 2 new players, one of whom didn't even know what Discordants were and RL instakilled him at about 500 yards. This was a very good port battle, it was very competitive. We found ourselves unable to match the Spanish skirms and played a game of cat and mouse with them through both of the main fleets, trying to burn down theirs faster than they killed ours. We gained a 2 ship advantage, lost the wind and the Spanish disengaged with 12 boats to our 14. This port battle was a "gf" and a "/tiphat".

Next time we see RL there's 15 of them. Yay, right? So we've got 4 OMG's. We've got about 2 other "decent guys" and they've got Alejhandro who on his own is worth 2 guys. And some of his friends, the other source of "gf /tiphat"'s. We've got 12 Russians who're on no comms whatsoever. They have, get this. Fifteen RL. This was an offensive port battle. Just go back and reread my views on expending my pixels and my opinions of good fights and consider what happens next. 8 RL destroy a main fleet while 16 guys chase down my skirms. Best PB ever guys, nothing like a stacked team.

So we've gone from having this epic fun of a handful of guys taking on PB fleets and destroying them, all the high of that, Britain runs out of ports and Spain's the only real enemy. More or less anyway, France has some internal policy with regards to Easten Antilles redzones which I don't disagree with so factor those out. If we want to do PB's now, it's supplemented 4v15'ing RL. In one day France lost 3 full 24v24 PB's to the dons without sinking a single boat. The YGO's were in all of them. Completely powerless to fight what equates to being a supplimented 4v15, where our suppliments are T-boning us because they're stupid and Russian, and yours are decent guys. You QQ about there being no competition... it's like you're not paying attention.

So, some forum QQ happens and now we're evil crossteamers who are destroying France. We take a couple of weeks off because we can't get an OS fight that isn't intentionally stacked or a PB that is likewise, and we're still being blamed for France getting owned when we're not there. Because it's just all our fault right? If something is to be taken and remembered from this, I'll take the QQ seriously when it comes from somebody who actually went to any of the PB's the OMG's did. Not forum/nation chat trolls who are all talk.

Dear France, your PB fleet with or without the 6 guys who made a point of doing your RvR properly for you cannot handle the Don zerg. I've said what I think needs to be said, hope you enjoy scapegoating us after we actively tried to help your nation.

Dear RL, please go back to Roberts. Not all of you, just about 20 of you. A few good players makes for a good fight when it all falls together to be around even. There's nations where nobody's teaching PvP to the new players who could really use your help if you're going to stay. This game is going to die if new players never get taught the basics. Stop with the forum QQ and go help people. It's what we do, whether you realise it or not.

Dear "vets", if you want competition learn to not follow the zerg. If you insist on playing the RvR equivalent of no-risk-ganking, by stacking your odds up so high you'll never lose a boat, consider what you've done before you lecture those disadvataged about their pixels. And if you really must farm them, write them a guide so next time they can shoot back.

Time to sit back, relax, and wait for the "Your PUG should fight my stacked group for competition and lose your pixels or you're a coward" and the "lol egotistical ***** hiding because we stacked up our PB fleet and you're not trying hard enough to learn Russian" arguments to come rolling in. Or just Kat showing a Celt-Blood grade lack of understanding.

This will be fun.

[Horatio Wilberforce]

You have given us a wall of QQ. That 1) No one but you cares about and 2) will only make any problems much worse.

Here are some facts:

RL has absorbed a large portion of the remaining old school players in Spain many of who are casual players. So quantifying everyone with the RL tag as being from Roberts is ludicrously inaccurate. Literally at best 4-6 RL people from Roberts came to Tiggy to help. Most of whom seem to have been out of the game for a little bit.

Alej started the map as a Frog, not a Don.

I have yet to go to a day PB where Spain hasn't had a handful of Russians doing their own thing. LIVE WITH IT! WE DO!

Spain is made up of PUG groups. I can't remember the last time I saw 6 people from one soc in a group as Dons. This is one reason I have always loved it here. You fight with whoever is willing, no exceptions.

This whole RL thing reminds me of duping. Everyone finds an excuse to quit and continues to scream it from the tallest building until they are blue in the face. Facts are disregarded in favor of more and more tinfoil. Negativity rules the day.

You often run into better players. If you want to be a better player than you need to keep fighting them to get better and stop with excuses.

Case in point:

Recently I switched my NO build and have only lost with it to one person, Amy Wong et al. I have now fought him 3 times in the last week with different strategies. I have yet to be successful, but I'm not going to avoid him simply because he presents a challenge.

This is a game, try to have fun!

/rant off

DISCLAIMER: I am not making any claims that I am good at this game or speaking for anyone but myself. I am merely providing a factual counterpoint for what I believe is utter hysteria on your part.

[Groovytunes]

OMG were a soc of good gamers who mostly left this game years ago. YGO people with OMG in their names were very different. Renee was/is a quality kid but other than that.... No comparison.

Any member of the real OMG would be sick in their mouth at the thought of the name being linked to any post that referred to the concern of PvP loss being the time spent grinding for a boat. Ew.

If you can't afford to lose HMC dura against the only other group out there to fight, don't bring HMCs out and the RL groups would gladly ship down to accommodate.

Yours with love,

Groovy (ex actual OMG... for a time)

[Eggzie]

Originally Posted by Conflict ...wailing wall....

1. Who are you?
2. Not all "vets" follow zerg. Myself, Luna, Mendo, James, Kialda, etc...etc...etc.... all have been Spain for at least the last 12 maps. So please choose your term better.

[santoser]

Rules of Antigua forum:

4 - Making a thread about it, always make it worse

[Josh_Brown]

I predict this thread will be much livelier than French RvR during map 49.

[freedybelizian]

Originally Posted by Conflict WALL

I honestly tried to read this. I was not successful.

[Percival Haddoch]

This is really tragic comic. Like a Greek tragedy.

The people who caused RL to reunite to defend Spain from being steamrolled by bullying France and made our comeback a guaranteed success by show of extremely poor leadership then employed the deadly “We stand no chance, don’t fight them” doctrine now want to look good on the forums? Lol

Before the PB of Havana RL had maybe 2-3 guys online at primetime. Fuelled by the French behavior and possible because of the summer holidays inactive members of RL was brought back in numbers to stop the rising tide. In one day the active number of RL players swelled from 3 to 12 but many hadn’t played PotBS in years so we badly needed a few days of fighting to get back to a decent skill level.

This event collided with the “French implosion” where the French due to internal conflict and abysmal leadership lost all fighting power. And so the first crucial days where RL could easily be defeated and the French map win secured were completely passed because France had transformed itself into a toothless kitten.

Then as the skill level dramatically increased in RL the ingenious “Don’t fight them” doctrine was enabled. I’ve seen this happening several times and always with the same terrible results. The nation implying the doctrine effectively defeats itself, national fighting spirit reaches negative levels and the captains with the mentality needed to PvP and RvR eventually stops logging in. Now the long run effect on the winning nation is not pretty either and we have effectively managed to reduce the skill level in PotBS. Well done everyone.

On top of this I’ve heard you quit France/the game? If I didn’t know better I would think you are xteamers with the goal of destroying France. But I am afraid your “leadership” is just that poor.

[Ronny1]

Most people in RL have always played Spain on Tiggy as well...
I agree with James that what differs Spain from most other nations on any sever is that we take in almost any players in our groups. ofc we sometimes prefer some OP players like Alejandro or Valerio but if you bring a ok ship to a flip or a counterflip your more then likely to get into a group no mater your skillevel.
That makes people better and in the end eventually maybe as good or better then yourself.
If you don´t want to lose a ship beacuse it takes a lot of effort to replace you shouldn´t PvP a all since this will effect your playstyle negativly imo.
And if you didn´t want a zerg of RL players here why you start the gloating. It was purely because of that we gathered the forces to help Spain the best we could.
Even if RL was the major impact that turned the tide this time it´s realy the players who plays at good or bad times that should be hailed. We humble gave us the moral back and after that it was a cakewalk since France killed themself at the first glance of opposition.
In fact all later PBs in this map was mostly filled by a lot of non-PvPers and many unexperienced people. I hope they learned a lot and will someday become as hardcore as me :-)

[Conflict]

After reading through the comments it's nice to see nobody's bothered to read the original post. As predicted in the original post.